SB Live!: 2 line in (mic) for djdecks ?

mc-mike · Feb 24, 2006, 01:56 PM

hi guys,

i have a question how to handle my Sounblaster Live! 5.1 card
(SB0100 but KXMixer shows SB0102 5.1 [d400]; emu10k1 chip)
with 2 line ins.

is this possible ?

i want to use the djdecks software (www.djdecks.be) with vinyl control, so i need 2 line ins for the turntables.
can i configure the mic in to be useable as a second line ?

can anyone please give me a tutorial how route the mic in and
how to configure in djdecks.

the only thing i have done yet is to switch to 5.1 mode and i found die right
output channels in traktor dj studio.
this driver is a little bit difficult

for germans you can read this thread:
http://www.computerbase.de/forum/sho...d.php?t=186507

thank you very much !

**dj_stick** · Feb 24, 2006, 04:52 PM

sorry, with the soundblaster live you're stuck with just one stereo input

you might be able to control your software using mono signals, but that depends on how the software works

mc-mike · Feb 25, 2006, 05:34 AM

well ok there was already such a comment in the djdecks thread:

i just postet because it seemed in the driver programm
that there are 2 channels available.
http://forum.djdecks.be/viewtopic.php?t=427

in need a stereo input for the signal.
so only the audigys have a stereo mic in?

what is about the AUX IN and the other INs at
the side of the card.
can i use them with an adapter ?

and if no:

what to prefer ? 2 sb. live!s or one audigy.

the most important thing for this programm is
a low asio latency for scratching

**dj_stick** · Feb 25, 2006, 06:49 AM

the only way to address the aux_in or cd_in on your card is to select them over the line in port, you cannot use them both together

mc-mike · Feb 25, 2006, 07:10 AM

this was the thing with the single converter, wasn't it ?

ok than it's time for this question

what to prefer ? 2 sb. live!s or one audigy.

the most important thing for this programm is
a low asio latency for scratching

and what models of audigy cards can i buy ?

also related to this thread:
http://forum.djdecks.be/viewtopic.php?t=427

Doug W · Feb 28, 2006, 01:22 PM

If you buy an Audigy as your second card instead of a LIVE card, this will give you the possibility of having 6 MONO inputs with your setup. This requires some minor construction (see dj-Stick's thread).

Quick Guide - get extra inputs on your card.

I think that there is an newer Audigy Value or two that does not have the 2 DAC/ADC converters on board so make sure you check it out before.

2 Audigy cards that I know have these for sure are the SB0090 and SB0350.

Here is my version of the modification described by dj_stick. Page 5 is unfinished

http://www.maxminn.com/emily40/auxsc00.html

mc-mike · Mar 1, 2006, 05:14 AM

helo,

i just need 2 stereo inputs. enough for 2 turntables.

so there is the possibility of wheter 2 live!s or 1 audigy.

but i can configure the correct audigy to have a second line in through the mic
in, can't i ? without hardware modification.

but the most importand point is the asio latency.
wich setup ist faster ? 2 live or 1 audigy ?

**dj_stick** · Mar 1, 2006, 05:43 AM

the latency won't differ by much, so either will work

Doug W · Mar 1, 2006, 09:38 AM

Quote:

but i can configure the correct audigy to have a second line in through the mic
in, can't i ? without hardware modification.

Since the Mic In is physically a Mono input, you won't be able to change that into stereo. You could do something in the DSP to split a Mono signal into 2 signals but that would mess things up if the Input of the right and left are different.

a second SBLive card would fit your needs if you only need 2 stereo inputs. This installation also requires an S/PDIF cable which you can pick up at most computer stores and shouldn't cost more than $3.00 USD.

The cable runs from the Send card into the Host card. The simple way to do that is from the Aud_Ext connector of the SEND SBLive into the CD_SPDIF in.

The SPDIF cable is connected at the SEND Card,
to Pin 17 (white conductor-SPDIF#0 out),
Pin 18 (black conductor-Gnd).

The SPDIF cable terminates in the CD_SPDIF connector
of the HOST card (black cable to the left).

If you spend a few extra dollars for an Audigy 1 card (SB0090), you have the possibility of doing the modification in the future if you found you really needed a 3rd stereo input.

mc-mike · Mar 1, 2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Quote:
but i can configure the correct audigy to have a second line in through the mic
in, can't i ? without hardware modification.

Since the Mic In is physically a Mono input, you won't be able to change that into stereo. You could do something in the DSP to split a Mono signal into 2 signals but that would mess things up if the Input of the right and left are different.

i think this is the method mentioned in this thread here:

http://forum.djdecks.be/viewtopic.php?t=427
so this works only with the cards with 2 converters (mentioned above).
are there more cards except the 2 mentioned ?

are you sure that the latencys won't differ too much ?
is one emu10k2 twice as fast as a emu10k1 ?

Doug W · Mar 1, 2006, 06:00 PM

Quote:

are there more cards except the 2 mentioned ?

There are, but I only have the SB0090 and the SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS oem), these 2 I know about for sure. Not sure of which other ones do and don't have the 2 converters. Maybe others with Audigy cards can jump in here. I believe that Audigy Value cards might have only the one converter, but don't know for sure.

Quote:

is one emu10k2 twice as fast as a emu10k1?

Don't think so.

You can record from the MIC IN and LINE IN at the same time using the ADC plug-in. These become MONO inputs however. The ADC comes in a separate download, ProFX. There are 3 different versions for 3537, 3538h and 3538j.

**dj_stick** · Mar 1, 2006, 07:21 PM

the clock speed of both the 10k1 and 10k2 is exactly the same, 48khz, it's not like a cpu or gpu…

however the 10k2 has a little more than twice the resources available to the DSP, aswell as several improvements

Doug W · Mar 1, 2006, 08:09 PM

OK I give up dj, what's a gpu?

**dj_stick** · Mar 1, 2006, 09:46 PM

graphics card, just using it as an example

mc-mike · Mar 2, 2006, 06:07 AM

yes gpu = graphics processing unit, "the cpu of the graphics card"

so you would say, that a audigy is a little bit to prefer.

i will look up, what is cheaper to get.

do you have an idea, how i can find out what models have 2 converters ?
can you see them ? or should i mail creative ?

**dj_stick** · Mar 2, 2006, 07:21 AM

you're in luck, i just created this page earlier today

http://kb.kxproject.lugosoft.com/list.html

check the listing for cards with "UDA Present" listed under the "Notes" category

mc-mike · Mar 3, 2006, 07:10 AM

ok, thank you very much.

im buying a sb0090 at the moment and looking forward to get it and set it up.

if i should have problems with the configuration despite the tutorials "i'll be back"

mc-mike · Mar 15, 2006, 08:30 AM

with my new baby.
a soundblaster audigy 1 sb0090 (in kx programm sb0092).

but die dsp looks different to the audigy 2 of the djdecks guy.

can you help me and give me a short tutorial how to do the djdecks trick
to use it with vinyl control.
(this one here: http://forum.djdecks.be/viewtopic.php?t=427)
with my card.

thank you very much.

here is my current dsp configuration:

as a picture: http://home.arcor.de/michi.87/web/dsp.jpg

the config. file: http://home.arcor.de/michi.87/web/kxdefault.kx

mc-mike · Mar 17, 2006, 10:35 AM

ok i discoverd the right dsp and mixer settings myself through the djdecks guide.
there was just a misunderstanding.

but i still have a problem:
to get a second stereo in (because mic is mono) i did a mod similar to this one:
http://www.maxminn.com/emily40/auxsc00.html

i soldered a stereo jack on a cd-rom drive sound connection cable(red to red, white to white, ground left out).

problem:

if i try to select the aux oder cd in as sources i get no sound.

any idea ? do i need other command lines?

Doug W · Mar 17, 2006, 01:35 PM

Quote:

any idea ? do i need other command lines?

You either need to use the proper command line stuff or, simpler...

Do you have ProFX installed? If you insert the ProFXADC plugin and choose AUX as the source, I think it will take care of any commands for you.

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I put together this setup and tested it with a cheapo (really cheap) stereo mic I found in a box. It works fine.

http://www.maxminn.com/emily40/images/aux-input.jpg

mc-mike · Mar 18, 2006, 10:46 AM

well ok,

i installed the profx plugin but i don't know, how to built it into my dsp settings from the djdecks guide:
http://home.arcor.de/michi.87/web/dsp.jpg

can you tell me how ?
or can you give me a .kx file. that would be great.

or are the command lines more easy in this fact

last step. of course i will tell you if it works. i'm not sure about my cable construction
but if it works it would be a bit easier then "the old soundcard" version.

Doug W · Mar 18, 2006, 06:01 PM

Quote:

can you tell me how ?
or can you give me a .kx file. that would be great.

I can't send you a *.kx because I don't have one made like that and I am using version 3534f, I guess you are using a different version. If you subtitiue the PROLOG with 2 ADC Plugins

Right click the prolog, select Unload.

Right click the DSP, select "Add Effect / Plugin"

Add 2 instances of the ProFXADC
1st ADC will use LINE
2nd ADC will use AUX

Wire up as shown here:
http://www.maxminn.com/emily40/image...ine_in-aux.jpg

You can add gains and other extras later.

jiiteepee · Mar 18, 2006, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc-mike

yes gpu = graphics processing unit, "the cpu of the graphics card"

so you would say, that a audigy is a little bit to prefer.

i will look up, what is cheaper to get.

do you have an idea, how i can find out what models have 2 converters ?
can you see them ? or should i mail creative ?

Hmm... don't you know there are many other brands too on the markets ?

If you like to stick by crappy creative cards, then you need to buy a model with external drive to get what you're after (w/ that price you could get a decent pro card w/ 2 or even more inputs).

jiitee

Lex Nahumury · Mar 19, 2006, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug W

I can't send you a *.kx because I don't have one made like that and I am using version 3534f, I guess you are using a different version. If you subtitiue the PROLOG with 2 ADC Plugins

Right click the prolog, select Unload.

Right click the DSP, select "Add Effect / Plugin"

Add 2 instances of the ProFXADC
1st ADC will use LINE
2nd ADC will use AUX

NO, NO,......this is wrong and will never work Doug.
You can use only 1 instance of ADC plugin per card!!!
(because there is only 1 AC97 device and only 1 AC97.2 device if Audigy)

@mc-mike:
Since you have an Audigy, you can get exactly what you want
by simply loading 1 ADC plugin into the DSP.
One ADC will give you 2x2 = 4 seperate selectable analog inputs on your Audigy.
Then you can use that cable you made to feed a signal into AUX or CD input,
and use LIne-In at the same time.

/Lex

Lex Nahumury · Mar 19, 2006, 05:44 AM

@mc-mike: (in german)
Dein audigy hat bereits 2 converter auf die karte.
Das sind beziehungsweise:
1. AC97.1
2. AC97.2(auch UDA genannt)
Die ADC plugin von ProFx macht es gans einfach dieser
beiden stereo signale ins DSP zu fuhren.
Du brauchst keine command line mehr einzufuhren.

Weil ein Audigy ohne extension/drive nur Line und Mic
anschlusse hat, brauchst du die selbstgemachte kabel
um ein zweiter 'Line' signal in dem AUX oder CD anschlus zu fuhren.
( wie beschrieben in das artikel )

Ich advisiere dich um 3534f zu benutzen (besseren ASIO leistung),
und den ProFx 3534f version runter zu laden.
Den ADC plugin in dieser version hat zwei 'Peak Meter'
damit es was einfager wird um die eingangssignale zu monitoren.

Beachte bitte das, wenn du 3534 benutzt, du HT im BIOS ausschaltest.
( im falle du ein P4 mit HT hast )

/Lex.