What's your opinion of the ipod Touch?

OmegaRED · Dec 18, 2007, 07:30 PM

Any owners or soon to be owners of the Apple iPod Touch 8gig/16gig?

Why did you buy one or why won't you?

BlueMak · Dec 18, 2007, 08:13 PM

The reasons I don't buy one.

1)Not close to the best sound quality.
2)From what I heard (though not so sure), you have to use itunes and the files can't be only mp3s and ogg.
3)expensive
4)I am very satisfied with my walkman phone (w810i).
5)If I would buy a large mp3 player it would be one that could hold at least 20GB, play ogg and mp3 natively, be as small as possible, and without a touch screen.
6)No touch screen cause they get dirty too fast.
7)It looks very fragile.
8)I don't like all the hype and attitude surrounding ipods and the fans just annoy me.
9)To add later if I remember.

OmegaRED · Dec 18, 2007, 08:30 PM

Good list, BlueMak. I agree with most of those points but I try to be realistic and compare it to other products.

Arkos 605/705: up to 160gig with huge 800 width res but is bulky, lower quality picture, is a scam (you need to pay to enable many of the features which costs over $100).

Creative Video: lots of space but is bulky, no internet.

Zune 2: Not sold outside USA. Screw Microsoft.

I like the slimness of the Touch because unlike other multimedia devices it is light and small enough to put on an armband, the touch screen is scratchproof (saw it tested on youtube), sound is good enough but not great, and internet. INTERNET. I saw vids where people even used IM programs with the touch I think that's pretty sweet.

The trendiness and treacherous practices of Apple bother me, they refuse to give all the features people want and release new ipods periodically to keep the buzz going. It is likely within 6 months a better Touch will come out with more space and features and I'll feel like a fool

Despite that, I'm leaning towards getting an Ipod touch.

**kris23** · Dec 18, 2007, 09:12 PM

my Dell Axim x51v beats the crap out of it.

OmegaRED · Dec 18, 2007, 09:36 PM

Tonight I've been reading about this so called "jailbreaking" which allows you to install programs and games, while it voids the warranty you can format the touch back to factory default and no one will ever know.

That sounds pretty cool and makes the touch more appealing than it otherwise would be

**kris23** · Dec 18, 2007, 09:40 PM

sounds really good, what can you install though?

OmegaRED · Dec 18, 2007, 10:13 PM

Not sure exactly, but you can install some of the apps which were in the iPhone, 3rd party stuff and games (like Nintendo roms).

Dark Lord · Dec 18, 2007, 10:15 PM

i dont own one, and never will own one, but i played around with my friends awhile ago, seems like a cool little toy.

***Veridian3*** · Dec 18, 2007, 10:28 PM

There are 3 things i look for in a media device...

1) Good sound quality
2) Flexibility... can i use whatever format or media player i want on the PC the device will sync with?
3) Has as much space as possible so that i can put all of my media on there without having to chop and change every day.

The ipod is average on item 1, awful on item 2 and really not great on item 3. Yes it looks nice, is cool to see in action and has some nice wifi related features but the BASIC functionality of the device, the functionality I would use most, just cant compete with devices from Archos and Creative.

ferret2004 · Dec 19, 2007, 01:13 AM

I've had an 8 gig ipod touch since mid September and I enjoy mine quite a bit. The wifi and browser work like a charm (kinda neat to zoom in/out with a pinch of my fingers), the sound quality is fine with me, and the TV shows I get from the itunes store look and sound great. I did't get the 16 gig version because I thought 400$ was a bit stiff.

**Mousey** · Dec 19, 2007, 06:25 AM

My Sandisk Sansa E260 arrived on the 18th yesterday, 4 days earlier than the estimated delivery date and i am extremely impressed with it.
Someone in my IT class at school has a touch and imo it's ridiculous, why would you pay $300 for an extremely breakable MP3 player that does stuff when you prod it?

I'd take my Sansa over a 16gb touch anyday

OmegaRED · Dec 19, 2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ferret2004

I've had an 8 gig ipod touch since mid September and I enjoy mine quite a bit. The wifi and browser work like a charm (kinda neat to zoom in/out with a pinch of my fingers), the sound quality is fine with me, and the TV shows I get from the itunes store look and sound great. I did't get the 16 gig version because I thought 400$ was a bit stiff.

I can't justify the $400 either and if I get it, it'll be the 8gig. How has the battery life and heat produced by the touch been?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mousey

My Sandisk Sansa E260 arrived on the 18th yesterday, 4 days earlier than the estimated delivery date and i am extremely impressed with it.
Someone in my IT class at school has a touch and imo it's ridiculous, why would you pay $300 for an extremely breakable MP3 player that does stuff when you prod it?

I'd take my Sansa over a 16gb touch anyday

Quote:

The e260's ability to handle video stands in contrast to the iPod nano, but playback is limited to 15 fps and all videos have to be converted using SanDisk's bundled app before transfer

I could never watch movies and tv shows at 15 fps, plus the Sansa has no internet (and a small screen). It's probably great for music but that's not the idea behind the touch (it can't compete with the ipod classic's sound or capacity).

Falstaff · Dec 19, 2007, 10:37 AM

all three of my close friends feel that the idea is good, the price is bad and there are other alternatives. I think if another company put this toy on the market it would have failed or remain on the shelf during christmas. But put "I" anything on it and it is instantly overhyped. I personally dont have one.

**Mousey** · Dec 19, 2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

I can't justify the $400 either and if I get it, it'll be the 8gig. How has the battery life and heat produced by the touch been?

I could never watch movies and tv shows at 15 fps, plus the Sansa has no internet (and a small screen). It's probably great for music but that's not the idea behind the touch (it can't compete with the ipod classic's sound or capacity).

It's an MP3 player for god's sake what do you want the internet for?

I don't bother using the video function on the Sansa since i'm normally being cracked at with a whip to do my work in class so i just listen to my music instead.
And the small screen? Christ can you get any more picky >_>

OmegaRED · Dec 19, 2007, 10:57 AM

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It's an MP3 player for god's sake what do you want the internet for?

That's like saying it's a phone why do you need a camera, mp3, internet and sms?

I already have a Sony Sports Mp3 player but I'd love to have a compact and light player which can do multimedia and the internet is just one huge bonus. Mousey, you do realize there are a lot of multimedia players like Arkos, Zune, Creative? People want to have a big screen to enjoy tv and movies anywhere.

ferret2004 · Dec 19, 2007, 11:10 AM

[QUOTE=OmegaRED;1111735]I can't justify the $400 either and if I get it, it'll be the 8gig. How has the battery life and heat produced by the touch been?

Battery life IMO is pretty good. I used it all day every day when I went on vacation and was never worried about running out of battery, and that was a mix of wifi, music and TV shows. The only issue I had was one day the unit got really hot and I saw the battery draining before my eyes, I rebooted it and it was fine, and it hasn't happened since.

In comparison I also have a Dell Axim x50v, and it's a turd compared to the Touch. The browser on the Dell is flaky, mp3 playback was fine, and I had no time to rip and convert movies to play on it. The Axim is currently boxed up and ready for auction.

niceguyrichy · Dec 19, 2007, 11:15 AM

it fails big time for me in just one key area. the fecking price.
it costs an arm and a leg. you can buy my current mobile for not too much more than a touch on payg, with touchscreen, intraweb, 5mp camera, and infinately expandable via transflash which doesn't eat battery life for breakfast. other than just showing it off to your contemporaries at school/college whatever, I see no reason at all for buying a touch

if you must have an ipod, buy a classic and then get a decent 3G phone

**Mousey** · Dec 19, 2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRED

That's like saying it's a phone why do you need a camera, mp3, internet and sms?

I already have a Sony Sports Mp3 player but I'd love to have a compact and light player which can do multimedia and the internet is just one huge bonus. Mousey, you do realize there are a lot of multimedia players like Arkos, Zune, Creative? People want to have a big screen to enjoy tv and movies anywhere.

I thought you were supposed to listen to music on your MP3 Player not browse porn

(would be pretty nifty though

)

OmegaRED · Dec 19, 2007, 02:55 PM

One thing that sucks about the 8gig Touch is there's actually only 7 gig usable, the rest is taken up by the OS and other programs. That sure doesn't leave much room for mp3, movies, tv shows...oh who am I kidding, it'll be packed with porn

ferret2004 · Dec 19, 2007, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRED

One thing that sucks about the 8gig Touch is there's actually only 7 gig usable, the rest is taken up by the OS and other programs. That sure doesn't leave much room for mp3, movies, tv shows...oh who am I kidding, it'll be packed with porn

Right now I have 530 songs on mine, as well as 8 TV shows, and still have 1 gig left. I keep my favorites on the touch, and everything on my 30gig ipod.

Vikingod · Dec 19, 2007, 03:49 PM

Thread moved to the appropraite forum.

I'm honestly not that impressed by it. Seems like more of a gimmick. Maybe if there was more storage, but I feel the price/value needs to improve before I would even consider it.

Lowfat · Dec 20, 2007, 10:30 AM

My roommate had one for a few months before ending up selling it. It really is a nice ipod. The interface is great, I love Safari on it. Sure beats every other mobile browser I've used. But I do not think it is worth the price also. For only $100 more you can get an iPhone which has a lot more functionality (yes yes i know not in Canada yet). I would much rather wait for a next generation iPhone than buy a Touch at the moment.

**Mousey** · Dec 20, 2007, 01:02 PM

And what's with all the brickings caused by firmware updates?
Imo Apple have gone down a very steep hill with the new ipods and iphones, just like MS did with vista.
It's probably to do with rushing to get everything out without being perfected to keep the hype public

Senor_Mota · Dec 20, 2007, 03:27 PM

Didn't I already discuss this with you?

OmegaRED · Dec 20, 2007, 04:42 PM

Quote:

And what's with all the brickings caused by firmware updates?

Where'd you hear about this? I haven't come across any bricking even with the Touch's that were jailbroken.

Lowfat · Dec 20, 2007, 08:10 PM

The bricking was only with the hacked iPhones where the user broke the EULA, and went with a different carrier besides AT&T. Apple also had put out warnings ahead of the software update that it could cause the iPhones not on AT&T to cease working.

**Mousey** · Dec 21, 2007, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRED

Where'd you hear about this? I haven't come across any bricking even with the Touch's that were jailbroken.

Not so much brickings as complete loss of usablity, i've seen a considerable number of videos on youtube from people that have updated the firmware on their iphone/ipod and they can't use the screen/can't unlock/can't use safari or w/e.
Take a look for bricked iphone and you'll get something

OmegaRED · Dec 21, 2007, 03:16 PM

My sis got one today and I'll be playing around with it, found one fault already, it won't log onto my wireless network. Not sure if it's a modem incompatibility or the security. All the rest in my area are secured so the Wi-Fi won't be getting much use

I tried it with an armband and it does heat up a little because of the leather case.

**Mousey** · Dec 22, 2007, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRED

My sis got one today and I'll be playing around with it, found one fault already, it won't log onto my wireless network. Not sure if it's a modem incompatibility or the security. All the rest in my area are secured so the Wi-Fi won't be getting much use

I tried it with an armband and it does heat up a little because of the leather case.

I was reading a story about a guy that got mugged, he had an iPod touch and it dropped out of his hand when he was attacked and the screen shattered. He had his wallet nicked and when he tried to get the iPod replaced at the apple store they refused to do so despite he was jumped.

SanDisk sansa ftw dude, Inconspicuous

Practically everybody has an iPod in my english class, and despite people having their own, the things are borrowed and passed round like candy, yet nobody wants to use my sansa and i'm fine with that

Lowfat · Dec 22, 2007, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRED

My sis got one today and I'll be playing around with it, found one fault already, it won't log onto my wireless network. Not sure if it's a modem incompatibility or the security. All the rest in my area are secured so the Wi-Fi won't be getting much use

I tried it with an armband and it does heat up a little because of the leather case.

Are you using a 128-bit WEP? Try another form of security. Almost every apple product can't use 128-bit WEP worth a snot.

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BlueMak DH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 8,251 Rep Power: 118 System Specs	The reasons I don't buy one. 1)Not close to the best sound quality. 2)From what I heard (though not so sure), you have to use itunes and the files can't be only mp3s and ogg. 3)expensive 4)I am very satisfied with my walkman phone (w810i). 5)If I would buy a large mp3 player it would be one that could hold at least 20GB, play ogg and mp3 natively, be as small as possible, and without a touch screen. 6)No touch screen cause they get dirty too fast. 7)It looks very fragile. 8)I don't like all the hype and attitude surrounding ipods and the fans just annoy me. 9)To add later if I remember. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Dec 18, 2007, 08:30 PM	#3
OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,789 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	Good list, BlueMak. I agree with most of those points but I try to be realistic and compare it to other products. Arkos 605/705: up to 160gig with huge 800 width res but is bulky, lower quality picture, is a scam (you need to pay to enable many of the features which costs over $100). Creative Video: lots of space but is bulky, no internet. Zune 2: Not sold outside USA. Screw Microsoft. I like the slimness of the Touch because unlike other multimedia devices it is light and small enough to put on an armband, the touch screen is scratchproof (saw it tested on youtube), sound is good enough but not great, and internet. INTERNET. I saw vids where people even used IM programs with the touch I think that's pretty sweet. The trendiness and treacherous practices of Apple bother me, they refuse to give all the features people want and release new ipods periodically to keep the buzz going. It is likely within 6 months a better Touch will come out with more space and features and I'll feel like a fool Despite that, I'm leaning towards getting an Ipod touch. __________________

Dec 18, 2007, 09:12 PM	#4
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OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,789 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	Tonight I've been reading about this so called "jailbreaking" which allows you to install programs and games, while it voids the warranty you can format the touch back to factory default and no one will ever know. That sounds pretty cool and makes the touch more appealing than it otherwise would be __________________

Dec 18, 2007, 09:40 PM	#6
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,316 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	sounds really good, what can you install though? __________________ Driverheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (9/4/09) New i5 systems with more to come! Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

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OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,789 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	Not sure exactly, but you can install some of the apps which were in the iPhone, 3rd party stuff and games (like Nintendo roms). __________________

Dec 18, 2007, 10:15 PM	#8
Dark Lord DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,584 Rep Power: 66 System Specs	i dont own one, and never will own one, but i played around with my friends awhile ago, seems like a cool little toy. __________________

Dec 18, 2007, 10:28 PM	#9
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 2,999 Rep Power: 72	There are 3 things i look for in a media device... 1) Good sound quality 2) Flexibility... can i use whatever format or media player i want on the PC the device will sync with? 3) Has as much space as possible so that i can put all of my media on there without having to chop and change every day. The ipod is average on item 1, awful on item 2 and really not great on item 3. Yes it looks nice, is cool to see in action and has some nice wifi related features but the BASIC functionality of the device, the functionality I would use most, just cant compete with devices from Archos and Creative.

Dec 19, 2007, 01:13 AM	#10
ferret2004 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 278 Rep Power: 32	I've had an 8 gig ipod touch since mid September and I enjoy mine quite a bit. The wifi and browser work like a charm (kinda neat to zoom in/out with a pinch of my fingers), the sound quality is fine with me, and the TV shows I get from the itunes store look and sound great. I did't get the 16 gig version because I thought 400$ was a bit stiff.

Dec 19, 2007, 06:25 AM	#11
Mousey Bang. Bang. Bang. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 5,421 Rep Power: 105 System Specs	My Sandisk Sansa E260 arrived on the 18th yesterday, 4 days earlier than the estimated delivery date and i am extremely impressed with it. Someone in my IT class at school has a touch and imo it's ridiculous, why would you pay $300 for an extremely breakable MP3 player that does stuff when you prod it? I'd take my Sansa over a 16gb touch anyday __________________ Visit hardWIRED - Back up and running, The Wiki is back Who we are, is but a stepping stone to what we can become.

Dec 19, 2007, 10:37 AM	#13
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 18,145 Rep Power: 131	all three of my close friends feel that the idea is good, the price is bad and there are other alternatives. I think if another company put this toy on the market it would have failed or remain on the shelf during christmas. But put "I" anything on it and it is instantly overhyped. I personally dont have one. __________________ The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the scythe.

Dec 19, 2007, 11:10 AM	#16
ferret2004 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 278 Rep Power: 32	[QUOTE=OmegaRED;1111735]I can't justify the $400 either and if I get it, it'll be the 8gig. How has the battery life and heat produced by the touch been? Battery life IMO is pretty good. I used it all day every day when I went on vacation and was never worried about running out of battery, and that was a mix of wifi, music and TV shows. The only issue I had was one day the unit got really hot and I saw the battery draining before my eyes, I rebooted it and it was fine, and it hasn't happened since. In comparison I also have a Dell Axim x50v, and it's a turd compared to the Touch. The browser on the Dell is flaky, mp3 playback was fine, and I had no time to rip and convert movies to play on it. The Axim is currently boxed up and ready for auction.

Dec 19, 2007, 11:15 AM	#17
niceguyrichy never enough coffee .. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: eu Posts: 4,690 Rep Power: 87	it fails big time for me in just one key area. the fecking price. it costs an arm and a leg. you can buy my current mobile for not too much more than a touch on payg, with touchscreen, intraweb, 5mp camera, and infinately expandable via transflash which doesn't eat battery life for breakfast. other than just showing it off to your contemporaries at school/college whatever, I see no reason at all for buying a touch if you must have an ipod, buy a classic and then get a decent 3G phone __________________

Dec 19, 2007, 02:55 PM	#19
OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,789 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	One thing that sucks about the 8gig Touch is there's actually only 7 gig usable, the rest is taken up by the OS and other programs. That sure doesn't leave much room for mp3, movies, tv shows...oh who am I kidding, it'll be packed with porn __________________

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Dec 20, 2007, 10:30 AM	#22
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 3,951 Rep Power: 61	My roommate had one for a few months before ending up selling it. It really is a nice ipod. The interface is great, I love Safari on it. Sure beats every other mobile browser I've used. But I do not think it is worth the price also. For only $100 more you can get an iPhone which has a lot more functionality (yes yes i know not in Canada yet). I would much rather wait for a next generation iPhone than buy a Touch at the moment. __________________ i7 920 on phase change * EX58-UD5 * 6GB @ 1600MHz * HD4550 * X25-M RAID0 * Enermax Revo 85+ 1050W * Silverstone FT01BW Q8200 @ 3GHz * P5Q Pro* 4GB @ 878MHz * 9500GT * Auzen Prelude * 30GB Vertex * 11.5TB * Seasonic 420 M12-II * Silverstone LC17B * LG GGC-H20L

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Mousey Bang. Bang. Bang. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 5,421 Rep Power: 105 System Specs	And what's with all the brickings caused by firmware updates? Imo Apple have gone down a very steep hill with the new ipods and iphones, just like MS did with vista. It's probably to do with rushing to get everything out without being perfected to keep the hype public __________________ Visit hardWIRED - Back up and running, The Wiki is back Who we are, is but a stepping stone to what we can become.

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Dec 20, 2007, 08:10 PM	#26
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 3,951 Rep Power: 61	The bricking was only with the hacked iPhones where the user broke the EULA, and went with a different carrier besides AT&T. Apple also had put out warnings ahead of the software update that it could cause the iPhones not on AT&T to cease working. __________________ i7 920 on phase change * EX58-UD5 * 6GB @ 1600MHz * HD4550 * X25-M RAID0 * Enermax Revo 85+ 1050W * Silverstone FT01BW Q8200 @ 3GHz * P5Q Pro* 4GB @ 878MHz * 9500GT * Auzen Prelude * 30GB Vertex * 11.5TB * Seasonic 420 M12-II * Silverstone LC17B * LG GGC-H20L

Dec 21, 2007, 03:16 PM	#28
OmegaRED In Fedor We Trust Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 4,789 Rep Power: 85 System Specs	My sis got one today and I'll be playing around with it, found one fault already, it won't log onto my wireless network. Not sure if it's a modem incompatibility or the security. All the rest in my area are secured so the Wi-Fi won't be getting much use I tried it with an armband and it does heat up a little because of the leather case. __________________