MMC 9.13 released - Discuss and vote

magnus33 · Jan 19, 2006, 01:54 PM

I should mention that useing windvr none of this happens and the picture is much better.

theonlybabyface · Jan 19, 2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranle

With this release (9.13) my GUIDE+ seems to be broken now: When you open up GUIDE+ the TV does not embed itself any more and when you select different channel through the GUIDE+, it does not change TV channel.

I noticed that as well. That's a deal breaker for me....

FearTheTerp · Jan 19, 2006, 02:54 PM

So you guys are positive that Guide Plus stops working with these new drivers?? So basically Guide Plus is my life and i cant do without it.

So basically this release is crap for older AIW cards? I'm still debating if upgrading drivers is worth 20 minutes to an hour (with problems which is stanfard) of my time.

Robert McClelland · Jan 19, 2006, 03:26 PM

I notice one thing with TV with MCC I get a delay in watching it? I mean when people talk there like 5 secs delay on it anyone else getting it? I using S video from my tv capture card.

magnus33 · Jan 19, 2006, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert McClelland

I notice one thing with TV with MCC I get a delay in watching it? I mean when people talk there like 5 secs delay on it anyone else getting it? I using S video from my tv capture card.

Sort of like watching a badly dubbed kung fu movie isn't it...lol.

theonlybabyface · Jan 19, 2006, 03:55 PM

Yup...this release kinda sucks. My Cat 5.13 and MMC 9.08 work just fine so no need for me to upgrade to this release as Guideplus is broken and the delay is horrible as well as picture quality. The only plus is I do like the new TV splash screen but I can just copy it into the mmc 9.08 directory and it should, in theory, work.

garfield · Jan 19, 2006, 05:26 PM

This release is useless as a pvr. Not only does the Guide+ fail but I am back to getting the old RManager invalid argument error when I try to use the scheduler. How is one to set a program to be recorded? Repairing the MMC installation doesn't help as it did under 9.08.

How did this garbage get out of the door?

Judas · Jan 19, 2006, 07:13 PM

<~is prepareing to install it on a freshly formated HD with a freshly installed XP PRO SP2 installation....

pr0digal jenius · Jan 19, 2006, 07:31 PM

TitanTV is included now, so my guess is that Guide+ is doomed

FearTheTerp · Jan 19, 2006, 07:52 PM

Titan TV is included with the MMC?

tranle · Jan 19, 2006, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

TitanTV is included now, so my guess is that Guide+ is doomed

But does it work for non "HDTV Wonder" cards such as an AIW 9600 ?
The last time I looked at titantv.com that was the only card that had an ActiveX control interface.

Eck · Jan 20, 2006, 12:08 AM

I also lost WMP10, mplayer2, and ATI File Player mp3 playback.

Reinstalling WMP10, or renaming the codecs and letting it reinstall them, or trying same with mplayer2 didn't fix.

I needed to repair install XP.

See my thread about this in the DriverHeaven Tools discussion.

RealPlayer and Quicktime were not affected by this. I guess they use their own mp3 playback methods.

It's possible that this is a problem caused by the 6.1 Catalyst's as a guy in that thread doesn't use MMC and got the mp3 playback problem after updating to the 6.1's.

DVD's played great though!

What is that new Parental Control encoder for?

All works now after repairing Windows XP. I did need to reinstall the Catalyst's over themselves to get Smartgart back. (Besides Windows Update.) Other than that, it fixed the mp3's and since my drivers are all signed, XP seems to have reinstalled all the drivers I had properly. Lucky!

Even renaming the Fraunhoffer codecs and letting WMP redownload them didn't fix it!

Rayder · Jan 20, 2006, 05:27 AM

This may be the REAL problem with the lack of MPG playback...

WMP and ATI Player Mp3 disabled after clean

Just a heads up.

madmatty · Jan 20, 2006, 06:43 AM

This release doesnt seem to work for VIVO usage at all

Ive got no way to set input connector or even type og signal/resolution. Some reason my vivo card is detected as a full All in wonder and its attepting to link with my Compro tv card (but not working).

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 20, 2006, 03:51 PM

I still couldn't install it properly and my mpeg playback has been crappy since.

Maybe someday I'll reformat XP

Judas · Jan 20, 2006, 05:57 PM

unfortuneatly... formating and freshly installing xp pro sp2... doesn't solve any of the useage issues still aparrent.... from what i've experience so far.... this has been yet another even worse release...

pr0digal jenius · Jan 21, 2006, 12:36 AM

i think ATi's biggest problem is the hardware......the way they handle sound is crap.

That makes the hardware more complicated, and well, yea, I don't have VIVO to test, but my guess is that's part of the problem too

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 21, 2006, 12:43 AM

I don't think its the hardware, other programs work fine with ATI hardware its just ATI hardware doesn't work with ATI software...for whatever weird reason

Just Learnin' · Jan 21, 2006, 01:35 AM

This is the first set of drivers which have not locked up when using the TV program on my AIW X800 XT, so far.

I also for the first time have the TV, radio, GuidePlus, and remote working as well. I used the 6.1 Catalyst WDM and display driver, I installed the 5.11 Control panel after installing MMC 9.13, I have had problems with the Control Center so I avoided it. The only app I used from my original driver cd was the Guideplus which I installed last, after finally getting my remote to work, it took a few tries. There is a delay of about a second between the TV program and a TV in the same room but the sound is in sync with the video within the program itself, there is no skipping or sound pauses either. The sound crackles occasionally in the TV program but has not dissappeared yet as it used to. The TV picture is clear and the radio reception is perfect. MPEG, MPG and mp3 files all play fine. I have not tried to record anything as yet though. this is the first time since I got this card in August that I have used it for anything other than just a graphics card.

I give them a seven, would have been higher but the five month wait p***ed me off.

BWX · Jan 21, 2006, 02:35 AM

What;s with the freaking LAG? Man ATI... this sucks.

Media player classic doesn't lag at all, but the software that is made for the hardware does?

Judas · Jan 21, 2006, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

What;s with the freaking LAG? Man ATI... this sucks.

Media player classic doesn't lag at all, but the software that is made for the hardware does?

if i recall.. you play your consoles on your computer correct?

Completely understand what your talking about.... as from the time you push a button the controller for the console.. to the time it shows up as an action on your monitor... is quite dirastic.... completely unplayable....

ATI did have at one point, it working fine.... example is my metroid review videos... all recorded using full RGB (MASSIVE videos several dozen mb/s)... no lag.. no stuttering... smooth as silk....

I swear, it ALL started when they disallowed us to choose Analog LINE in for our audio source....

Judas · Jan 21, 2006, 03:32 AM

4 people voted above rating of 5....... 13 below rating of 5... actually starting at 3-1... most are all 1...

This is quite obvious of some serious issues that ati has quite apparently missed .... full blown strike out at the plate atm....

Cmon ati, we KNOW the AIW MMC worked..... it has such potential and yet we aren't seeing this at all.... if anything it's getting worse....

***Veridian3*** · Jan 21, 2006, 07:51 AM

It does seem that it either works for you or it doesnt... there isnt really a happy medium which is weird. Not sure what the above means but its an observation at least.

For me the app works perfectly 99% of the time...

CJLMTLCA · Jan 21, 2006, 11:10 AM

Hi,

I had CCC 5.11 and MMC 9.08 installed. I just installed 6.1 + 9.13 and there are many bugs in MMC. First thing i noticed is the echo is gone from TV when you press record, so i'm thinking "cool!", unlike before even after i press STOP i still had echo.
Always had to soft reset TV to get it back to normal.
Today, i try and load TV, there's no sound. It keeps disabling CD and LINE inputs in my mixer, have to re-enable them and now all i get is static with the picture (???).
Changing channels, the picture appears and starts playing then is freezes for a sec and then starts playing again. Never did that before.
In guideplus, when you select a station the NOW button doesn't work.
I had to fix all my filetypes, i guess this is normal, all multimedia apps always take
over your filetypes, but at least most of them give you a choice when installing.
I tried to install REMOTE WONDER 3.03, and it fails with a "...x10net.dll failed to register..." error.
I'll do some more testing, but so far i'm not impressed, 9.08 was much better.

I see ATI have guideplus for TVWonderElite, which i've been wanting to get but due to the powercinema soft, passed on the upgrade...

H3X4D3C1M4L · Jan 21, 2006, 01:05 PM

I think ATI needs to give MMC a kick in the ass and give us MMC 10! Stop focusing on CCC which now works for 99% of users and focus on this which is a serious problem.

By the way does ATI actually see this forum or the results of this poll? I would love to know. Its a shame such good hardware is bogged down with crap software

Whach · Jan 21, 2006, 01:20 PM

Well, the drivers are good. MMC, for me , has slightly improved in that the TV app doesn't crash as often as it used to. Still tonnes O lag when playing my ps2 using the capture feature though. However, one new bug i have experienced is that when trying to use my mic for voice chat, i have to manually go into sound properties and change the voice recording check box from wave to mic. keeps on changing it back though for some reason. at least TV works.....but still not perfect!

BWX · Jan 21, 2006, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whach

Well, the drivers are good. MC, for me , has slightly improved in that the TV app doesn't crash as often as it used to. Still tonnes O lag when playing my ps2 using the capture feature though. However, one new bug i have experienced is that when trying to use my mic for voice chat, i have to manually go into sound properties and change the voice recording check box from wave to mic. keeps on changing it back though for some reason. at least TV works.....but still not perfect!

Download media player classic..

File-
Open Device-
Video- choose your hardware
Audio- your sound card line in

No more lag.

You can also scale your screen to exactly the size of your monitor- also you can choose 16:9 in your PS2 game options and scale that to your screen and play in 16:9 format.

***Veridian3*** · Jan 21, 2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

By the way does ATI actually see this forum or the results of this poll?

Yes.

Billium · Jan 21, 2006, 05:08 PM

Hi all,

I posted over at rage3d but it sounds like maybe here has better ATI visibility...

Why this AIW junkie who frequently bought the latest AIWs is jumping off the train:

1. Lack of live TV:
Without true live TV the audio/video lags real time slightly - this causes unpleasant 'echoing' in an environment where there's a real TV in one room and an AIW TV tuner in another (both tuned to the same channel). Its sad that an AIW can't even match the live TV capability of an el cheapo TV set. This is also an issue for anyone who plays console games into their computer. Certainly this is a step back with regards to hard drive access/CPU usage while simply trying to watch TV.

2. Lack of communication, part 1:
MMC update frequency - Before, ATI had a policy of issuing MMC updates approximately every other CAT release. Then suddenly, poof, nothing until 9.13. OK, priorities change, but let us know. What is the loose, 'not set in stone' target for the next MMC update - March, Dec? Is there any thought as to giving us back some of the previous functionality or is that gone for good?

3. Lack of communication, part 2:
Release notes - Fundamental changes for us multimedia users usually are not even documented in the release notes. Back when analog TV audio was changed to digital it was not even documented in any of the release notes, why? And where in the current release notes are the functional changes that are described in this thread? Certainly not in the WDM or MMC release notes...

This past year ATI seems to be going a direction that some, perhaps many, AIW users do not like. Have not seen anyone from ATI explaining their 'vision-thing' to their AIW customers. At least talk to us, listen to some of our concerns, set our expectations once in a while.

Arc_Angel · Jan 21, 2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billium

Hi all,

I posted over at rage3d but it sounds like maybe here has better ATI visibility...

Why this AIW junkie who frequently bought the latest AIWs is jumping off the train:

1. Lack of live TV:
Without true live TV the audio/video lags real time slightly - this causes unpleasant 'echoing' in an environment where there's a real TV in one room and an AIW TV tuner in another (both tuned to the same channel). Its sad that an AIW can't even match the live TV capability of an el cheapo TV set. This is also an issue for anyone who plays console games into their computer. Certainly this is a step back with regards to hard drive access/CPU usage while simply trying to watch TV.

2. Lack of communication, part 1:
MMC update frequency - Before, ATI had a policy of issuing MMC updates approximately every other CAT release. Then suddenly, poof, nothing until 9.13. OK, priorities change, but let us know. What is the loose, 'not set in stone' target for the next MMC update - March, Dec? Is there any thought as to giving us back some of the previous functionality or is that gone for good?

3. Lack of communication, part 2:
Release notes - Fundamental changes for us multimedia users usually are not even documented in the release notes. Back when analog TV audio was changed to digital it was not even documented in any of the release notes, why? And where in the current release notes are the functional changes that are described in this thread? Certainly not in the WDM or MMC release notes...

This past year ATI seems to be going a direction that some, perhaps many, AIW users do not like. Have not seen anyone from ATI explaining their 'vision-thing' to their AIW customers. At least talk to us, listen to some of our concerns, set our expectations once in a while.

Another thing to add is with this release of MMC, ATI giving the users with VIVO(not AIW users) the cold sholders. I can't switch to the s-video or composit input without giving me the BSOD!

yes I own the X1800XT VIVO and Theaterix 550Pro and hope to do console gaming on it too..

Jan 19, 2006, 02:54 PM	#33
FearTheTerp DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pacific Grove, California Posts: 361 Rep Power: 0	So you guys are positive that Guide Plus stops working with these new drivers?? So basically Guide Plus is my life and i cant do without it. So basically this release is crap for older AIW cards? I'm still debating if upgrading drivers is worth 20 minutes to an hour (with problems which is stanfard) of my time. __________________ System specs Motherboard:Biostar M7NCD Pro Cpu:AMD XP 2600+ Throughbred B @ 2340 195x12 Memory:2x Corsair CMX512-3200c2PT @ 195 mHz 2-3-3-10 Dual channel Graphics Card: Ati Radeon 9800 Pro All-In-Wonder w/Vga Silencer Rev 3 Antec SL-350

Jan 19, 2006, 03:26 PM	#34
Robert McClelland PAX Tweaker, PAX Expert. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Some Where in Ohio Posts: 6,346 Rep Power: 103 System Specs	I notice one thing with TV with MCC I get a delay in watching it? I mean when people talk there like 5 secs delay on it anyone else getting it? I using S video from my tv capture card. __________________ "XTREME AUDIO IS CRAP!" "There no support for it. It's crapist card on face of the earth it should be throw into the sun"

Jan 19, 2006, 03:55 PM	#36
theonlybabyface GO CANUCKS GO!!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 140 Rep Power: 0	Yup...this release kinda sucks. My Cat 5.13 and MMC 9.08 work just fine so no need for me to upgrade to this release as Guideplus is broken and the delay is horrible as well as picture quality. The only plus is I do like the new TV splash screen but I can just copy it into the mmc 9.08 directory and it should, in theory, work. __________________ [COLOR=Silver]MY MACHINE : Intel Q6600 \| ASUS Maximus Formula \| 4 x 1GB Team Xtreem DDR2-800 \| EVGA 8800GTS "G92" \| X-Fi Platinum \| Enermax Infiniti 720 \| Samsung 224BW KIDS MACHINE : Intel Xeon 3060 \| Intel BadaXe2 \| 2 x 1GB Kingston DDR2-667 \| BFG 8800GT OC \| Audigy 2 ZS \| OCZ GameXStream 850 \| [/COLOR][COLOR=Silver]Samsung 204B[/COLOR] [COLOR=dimgray][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=dimgray][COLOR=Silver] [/COLOR][/COLOR]

Jan 19, 2006, 05:26 PM	#37
garfield DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	This release is useless as a pvr. Not only does the Guide+ fail but I am back to getting the old RManager invalid argument error when I try to use the scheduler. How is one to set a program to be recorded? Repairing the MMC installation doesn't help as it did under 9.08. How did this garbage get out of the door? __________________ Windows XP Pro SP2 Pentium 4 2.4B@2880 Albatron PX845PEV Pro Corsair CMX512-3200C2@400 All-in-Wonder 9000 2 - 200GB WD HDDs 16x DVD Rom ND-1100A DVD Burner 350W PS

Jan 19, 2006, 07:52 PM	#40
FearTheTerp DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pacific Grove, California Posts: 361 Rep Power: 0	Titan TV is included with the MMC? __________________ System specs Motherboard:Biostar M7NCD Pro Cpu:AMD XP 2600+ Throughbred B @ 2340 195x12 Memory:2x Corsair CMX512-3200c2PT @ 195 mHz 2-3-3-10 Dual channel Graphics Card: Ati Radeon 9800 Pro All-In-Wonder w/Vga Silencer Rev 3 Antec SL-350

Jan 19, 2006, 01:54 PM	#31
magnus33 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	I should mention that useing windvr none of this happens and the picture is much better.

Jan 19, 2006, 07:31 PM	#39
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	TitanTV is included now, so my guess is that Guide+ is doomed

Jan 20, 2006, 12:08 AM	#42
Eck DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 162 Rep Power: 0	I also lost WMP10, mplayer2, and ATI File Player mp3 playback. Reinstalling WMP10, or renaming the codecs and letting it reinstall them, or trying same with mplayer2 didn't fix. I needed to repair install XP. See my thread about this in the DriverHeaven Tools discussion. RealPlayer and Quicktime were not affected by this. I guess they use their own mp3 playback methods. It's possible that this is a problem caused by the 6.1 Catalyst's as a guy in that thread doesn't use MMC and got the mp3 playback problem after updating to the 6.1's. DVD's played great though! What is that new Parental Control encoder for? All works now after repairing Windows XP. I did need to reinstall the Catalyst's over themselves to get Smartgart back. (Besides Windows Update.) Other than that, it fixed the mp3's and since my drivers are all signed, XP seems to have reinstalled all the drivers I had properly. Lucky! Even renaming the Fraunhoffer codecs and letting WMP redownload them didn't fix it! __________________ Epox 8KRAIPRO/Asus A7V880 Crucial 3200DDR 512x2 Sempron 3300+/AthlonXP3200 Gigabyte NVidia 6600GT/ATI Radeon x850PRO 250GB Maxtor Sata/250GB Maxtor ATA Audigy 2 ZS Platinum/Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro

Jan 20, 2006, 05:27 AM	#43
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,042 Rep Power: 51	This may be the REAL problem with the lack of MPG playback... WMP and ATI Player Mp3 disabled after clean Just a heads up. __________________

Jan 20, 2006, 06:43 AM	#44
madmatty *****side Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Lincoln, UK Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	This release doesnt seem to work for VIVO usage at all Ive got no way to set input connector or even type og signal/resolution. Some reason my vivo card is detected as a full All in wonder and its attepting to link with my Compro tv card (but not working). __________________ Asrock 939DS2, AMD X2 3800 @ 5000 (10x260 1.35v), Rad X1950 PRO (621/735) 2gig Corsair 3500PRO (1T DDR434), Audigy 2, Tagan530w. Cat6.12 3DMark01 - 30368 3DMark03 - 16129 3DMark05 - 10081 PCMark05 - 5861 3DMark06 - 4891

Jan 20, 2006, 03:51 PM	#45
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	I still couldn't install it properly and my mpeg playback has been crappy since. Maybe someday I'll reformat XP

Jan 21, 2006, 12:36 AM	#47
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,672 Rep Power: 0	i think ATi's biggest problem is the hardware......the way they handle sound is crap. That makes the hardware more complicated, and well, yea, I don't have VIVO to test, but my guess is that's part of the problem too

Jan 21, 2006, 12:43 AM	#48
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	I don't think its the hardware, other programs work fine with ATI hardware its just ATI hardware doesn't work with ATI software...for whatever weird reason

Jan 21, 2006, 01:35 AM	#49
Just Learnin' DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 35 System Specs	This is the first set of drivers which have not locked up when using the TV program on my AIW X800 XT, so far. I also for the first time have the TV, radio, GuidePlus, and remote working as well. I used the 6.1 Catalyst WDM and display driver, I installed the 5.11 Control panel after installing MMC 9.13, I have had problems with the Control Center so I avoided it. The only app I used from my original driver cd was the Guideplus which I installed last, after finally getting my remote to work, it took a few tries. There is a delay of about a second between the TV program and a TV in the same room but the sound is in sync with the video within the program itself, there is no skipping or sound pauses either. The sound crackles occasionally in the TV program but has not dissappeared yet as it used to. The TV picture is clear and the radio reception is perfect. MPEG, MPG and mp3 files all play fine. I have not tried to record anything as yet though. this is the first time since I got this card in August that I have used it for anything other than just a graphics card. I give them a seven, would have been higher but the five month wait p***ed me off.

Jan 21, 2006, 02:35 AM	#50
BWX Spinal Tapped Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,570 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	What;s with the freaking LAG? Man ATI... this sucks. Media player classic doesn't lag at all, but the software that is made for the hardware does? __________________ One Big Ass Mistake America

Jan 21, 2006, 07:51 AM	#53
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 2,999 Rep Power: 72	It does seem that it either works for you or it doesnt... there isnt really a happy medium which is weird. Not sure what the above means but its an observation at least. For me the app works perfectly 99% of the time...

Jan 21, 2006, 11:10 AM	#54
CJLMTLCA DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 284 Rep Power: 26 System Specs	Not quite there... Hi, I had CCC 5.11 and MMC 9.08 installed. I just installed 6.1 + 9.13 and there are many bugs in MMC. First thing i noticed is the echo is gone from TV when you press record, so i'm thinking "cool!", unlike before even after i press STOP i still had echo. Always had to soft reset TV to get it back to normal. Today, i try and load TV, there's no sound. It keeps disabling CD and LINE inputs in my mixer, have to re-enable them and now all i get is static with the picture (???). Changing channels, the picture appears and starts playing then is freezes for a sec and then starts playing again. Never did that before. In guideplus, when you select a station the NOW button doesn't work. I had to fix all my filetypes, i guess this is normal, all multimedia apps always take over your filetypes, but at least most of them give you a choice when installing. I tried to install REMOTE WONDER 3.03, and it fails with a "...x10net.dll failed to register..." error. I'll do some more testing, but so far i'm not impressed, 9.08 was much better. I see ATI have guideplus for TVWonderElite, which i've been wanting to get but due to the powercinema soft, passed on the upgrade... __________________ HAF932 X3[1000] P5WDHDeluxe Core2QuadQ6600[3.06] Dominator[8192] RadeonHD4870X2 SoundBlasterX-Fi[Fatal1ty] TVWonderHD650 DiamondMax10[300\|SATA](x2) iHAS220[SATA] MyBookHomeEdition[1000\|USB] GP120 G5 XBox360Controller Reserator1[WB5] 2408WFP 2407WFP PixmaMP600 WRT610N VistaUltimate[64] AVR525 N38 N38 NCENTER N24II N24II SUB125

Jan 21, 2006, 01:05 PM	#55
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 0	I think ATI needs to give MMC a kick in the ass and give us MMC 10! Stop focusing on CCC which now works for 99% of users and focus on this which is a serious problem. By the way does ATI actually see this forum or the results of this poll? I would love to know. Its a shame such good hardware is bogged down with crap software

Jan 21, 2006, 01:20 PM	#56
Whach DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	Well, the drivers are good. MMC, for me , has slightly improved in that the TV app doesn't crash as often as it used to. Still tonnes O lag when playing my ps2 using the capture feature though. However, one new bug i have experienced is that when trying to use my mic for voice chat, i have to manually go into sound properties and change the voice recording check box from wave to mic. keeps on changing it back though for some reason. at least TV works.....but still not perfect! __________________ P4 2.6C @ 3.2 Ghz \| Corsair XMS 1GB PC3500 Dual Channel \| Corsair XMS 1GB PC3200 Dual Channel \| Total Memory = 2GB \| Abit IC7-G \| ATI AIW X800XT (R420) \| 2x Maxtor 250GB 16MB Cache Raid 0 \| 2x 200GB WD SE \| Audigy 2 \| Logitech Z-680 \| Sony DRU-500A \| Plextor 24/10/40A \| Plextor 716-SA \| Sony 19" CRT CPD-E440 \| Koolance EXOS Watercooling \| Koolance CPU 200-G CPU block \| Antec Plusview 1000AMG \| Antec TrueBlue480 \| WindowsXP Pro

Jan 21, 2006, 05:08 PM	#59
Billium DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Hi all, I posted over at rage3d but it sounds like maybe here has better ATI visibility... Why this AIW junkie who frequently bought the latest AIWs is jumping off the train: 1. Lack of live TV: Without true live TV the audio/video lags real time slightly - this causes unpleasant 'echoing' in an environment where there's a real TV in one room and an AIW TV tuner in another (both tuned to the same channel). Its sad that an AIW can't even match the live TV capability of an el cheapo TV set. This is also an issue for anyone who plays console games into their computer. Certainly this is a step back with regards to hard drive access/CPU usage while simply trying to watch TV. 2. Lack of communication, part 1: MMC update frequency - Before, ATI had a policy of issuing MMC updates approximately every other CAT release. Then suddenly, poof, nothing until 9.13. OK, priorities change, but let us know. What is the loose, 'not set in stone' target for the next MMC update - March, Dec? Is there any thought as to giving us back some of the previous functionality or is that gone for good? 3. Lack of communication, part 2: Release notes - Fundamental changes for us multimedia users usually are not even documented in the release notes. Back when analog TV audio was changed to digital it was not even documented in any of the release notes, why? And where in the current release notes are the functional changes that are described in this thread? Certainly not in the WDM or MMC release notes... This past year ATI seems to be going a direction that some, perhaps many, AIW users do not like. Have not seen anyone from ATI explaining their 'vision-thing' to their AIW customers. At least talk to us, listen to some of our concerns, set our expectations once in a while.