Judas

IMO, i've yet to run into ANY problem at all related to games specific to driver problems that are obvious. Not every set is perfect.. i can't expect that. But it's pretty damn good.

However, i'm seeing nothing getting any better in the AIW department. Seriously, there 2nd controller AIW Remote Wonder has got to be the worse designed version, not to mention it's patheticly small buttons, and sesitively. It's hard enough to push the right numbers, let alone push them quick enough not to put in more then 1/2 digits. Sure, it's got a few better programable buttons, but i really wish i didn't take back the first gen controller.

Little bit of a suggestion, get a remote with all the numbers and mainly used buttons as large as the first remote you guys got. (not all of us have baby fingers here that are lightning quick). 2ndly, give us the ability to at least DISABLE completely, some of the buttons, I myself absalutely HATE the "easy"look feature and the program itself.... but even installing without easylook installed, it has a way of hunting me because of the related buttons on the remote.

Fix some of the error messages, and the system test, i've yet to install an driver package or an AIW card on any system that reports anything correctly with the program, making it utterly useless for diagnostics. According to it, we don't even have a AIW card.

GIVE US THE OPTION BACK to be able to select LINE IN AUDIO for recording and general use. This Digital audio only is still causing problems, Feel free to keep working on it as yes, it'll be nice to get rid of, and digital means giving us the ability to at some point hopefully, migrate over to Digital cable with surround sound capabilities. But at least give us the option if it's apparently causing issues, such as lagging sound, or full blown lockups.

Fix the mute issue. If i leave the TV running with it muted for an extended length of time, i end up with a completely unresponcive TV... not to mention it has a way of taking controll of the computer in a manner that restarting it is unable to shutdown the tv. causing a infinite wait time. Forcefully restarting the computer shouldn't be needed.

Other suggestions?

I could ramble on all day cause i know ATI has something utterly beautiful here. The AIWs are something that i could see nearly everyone having in there house. 1 box for all if you will. If these things are fixed, i could start building machines in which people would get rid of there VCRs/TVs completely.

Bring us an AIW with HDTV support, Digital Cable support, Working MMC and fully supported DIVX encoding/Decoding (or other format that is just as good)

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Calinerti

Well said. The remote doesnt bother me really, but I didnt own the first one, so I have no basis for comparison. But are we (AIW owners who appreciate good driver support) a large enough market segment to bother with? How many people here own an AIW card?

Judas

i'm aware of quite a few people that have one.. but the market i'm sure it's quite small in comparison... But it doesn't help that those that HAD but no longer use a AIW is due to the problems that leech the life outa the entire setup.

Currently i've been running a 24/7/365 & 1/4 a year system for the last 2 years almost. I've been tempted many times just to start over with an older version of MMC and drivers, why? because although they've fixed some things, they've seriously broken others.

The driver/software updates for AIWs are far and few between for each year. I wouldn't expect one every month.. but at least something every 3 would keep people happy.

ATI should step up to the plate the same way they did with there mainstream cards a few years back and introduce a "catalyst" variation of the AIW suite. If they did, i've NO doubt that they would rule the PVR market with full blown stable and reliable PVR machines..

Currently on my rig, the last version of AIW suite, has screwed up The scheduler, (hasn't recorder a single thing since i've updated... and freshly reinstalled)....

I find another thing quite interesting, i use my PVR system as a dedicated file/program server as well, and all recorded vids are put into a folder.. but reguardless of what i do... i have to manually move these vids to another folder before other machines on the network can access them.

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Whach

I agree. I beleive the hardware is there for a great all-in-one solution, but the software is buggy =( im tempted to install my old winfast tv card back in for recording tv.....kinda defeats the point of me getting the aiw card in the first place though. grrr cmon ATI, i know you can do it! = )..plz?

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Judas

were going to have to do better then have just a the few 3 of us post here asking for the assistance we need

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H3X4D3C1M4L

I'll join. I wanna see more MMC updates to address issues, I mean not every driver release but like every 2nd or 3rd rather than once a quarter.

I love my AiW I just wanna put it to better use and be able to do more with it rather than sticking with one version that works in fear of an upgrade that will kill the AiW part of the card

Judas

come on... we need more!

indeed about the fear of updateing only to find your AIW portion being completely useless..

i still can't get mmc-9.08 to record anything scheduled.. and the scheduler crashes quite abit ironically lol


i'd even go as far as to say that they really don't test to much of the AIW card..

imo, they should have 75% of there test rigs outfitted with an AIW version...

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H3X4D3C1M4L

75% is alot...I'd say more than 2% outfitted with AiW cards or dedicate a bigger chunk of machines to AiWing

Judas

well usually they have 1 model AIW card is for there lowend/midrange/highend systems.... and they can cover all the basis with the AIW cards..... i guess 75% may be a tad high.. but at least 25% then..

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PandaZ3

I had a lot of trouble with my AV8 board and a AIW 9600XT. I eventually got it worked out, but eventually there would be driver corruption or some thing and I would have to troubleshoot again. I took it out and put it in a KV7. I started having problems with it running at 1.1 Ghz instead of 2.0 Ghz. I thought it was the Sempron CPU, so I put a 2100 Pally in it. Same difficulties
I then uninstalled and cleaned every ATI driver, put a ASUS R7000 in it, and rebooted. I updated the driver not by ATI's site, but thru the Window upgrade site. (If you use the "custom" button it brings up hardware driver choices.) No problem.

I am convinced that AIWs don't play nice with VIA based Motherboards. I am RMA'ing a NF2 board and when it gets back I'll try the AIW 9600XT in it

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It has to be Plugged In? To electricity?

Video cards in house, MSI HD 3870, ATI X1950 XTX, 1X1900 XTX, X1900 XT and X1900 Crossfire, ASUS and Sapphire X1800 XT's, X850 Pro, X800 Pro, AIW 9600XT, 9600 Pro, 9550 SE, 9200, 7000. XFX 6800 GS

Judas

I haven't much of any problems with via and ATI cards.... i just know that occasionally you just end up with a bad card

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PandaZ3

Well I hope to have better luck on the next board, I wanted to put it on my UL8 Uli chipset machine, but I have Win XP x64 on it and ATI has no plans to make drivers for x64.

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It has to be Plugged In? To electricity?

Video cards in house, MSI HD 3870, ATI X1950 XTX, 1X1900 XTX, X1900 XT and X1900 Crossfire, ASUS and Sapphire X1800 XT's, X850 Pro, X800 Pro, AIW 9600XT, 9600 Pro, 9550 SE, 9200, 7000. XFX 6800 GS

Judas

they do plan... it just trying to figure out WHEN they will...

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Just Learnin'

Hello All,

Had to join this forum after reading your thread starter Judas!!! I actually had my Remote Wonder II working, for about half a day!#*

Other than that everything else you said is true as well. Lockups with the TV program, either when attempting to record or after using it for about an hour or so.

I also found that the latest drivers give me great FM!! Terrible TV and the frozen lockup having to use the reset button as you said. The drivers it came with give next to no FM reception, autoscan finds nothing with them. I am terrified of Gemstar!!!!

I get this on every reboot with newer drivers:

 Event Type: Warning
Event Source: ati2mtag
Event Category: WDM
Event ID: 1049
Date: 09/11/2005
Time: 11:16:18 AM
User: N/A
Computer: PETE
Description:
SRB command failed – SRB_GET_DEVICE_PROPERTY
Data:
0000: 00 00 00 00 01 00 5a 00 ......Z.
0008: 01 00 00 00 19 04 00 80 .......?
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
Event Type: Warning
Event Source: ati2mtag
Event Category: WDM
Event ID: 1049
Date: 09/11/2005
Time: 11:16:18 AM
User: N/A
Computer: PETE
Description:
SRB command failed - SRB_GET_DEVICE_PROPERTY
Data:
0000: 00 00 00 00 01 00 5a 00 ......Z.
0008: 01 00 00 00 19 04 00 80 .......?
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........


And this with every lockup:

Hanging application ATIMMC.exe, version 9.8.0.0, hang module hungapp, version 0.0.0.0, hang address 0x00000000

Insert the MMC version as you try different ones, same lockup.

And I have even seen this when trying some of the drivers as the TV application comes to the end of it's autoscan and locks up:

November 15, 2005 ati2mtag DD failed – I2C read/write error

It works well without the MMC installed, as just a videocard, but my rank in Folding at Home is taking a terrible beating as I have been trying to get this "thing" to work as a so called All-In-Wonder.

Sorry my first post is such a rant, 3 weeks of ATi's dismal customer support and 2 days when you are lucky between responses has me just a wee bit "under the weather" so to speak...

Come on all the rest of you AIW'ers let it out!!!!!!


I have reformatted, reinstalled a zillion times, Catalyst cleaned till I want to and DriverCleaner Pro'd till the sun has come up.

Judas

As a video card.. the AIW's are excellent.... never had a problem running any game / under any normal use of the machine.. but the moment you make the attempt at using the AIW for what it was ment for... you end up with problems... and no solutions for serveral months on end waiting for a possible driver fix that ends up providing more errors problems then it solves.

ATI has to step up to the plate and do what they did before when they fired up the first catalyst. I can't expect them to provide a new MMC and full set of drivers every months.. but they gotta get something FIXED and quick... more and more people are seeing how AIWs are not doing there jobs, and with the expanding multimedia PVR computer being more affordable and wanted.... it's getting ugly.

Currently i could even think of hooking up my Consoles to the AIW like i did before, the lag is so utterly terrible it's quite irritating. Orginally when i first got my newer AIW, before they decided to really screw things up and bypass the need for a line in on the soundcard option, i could play consoles/record even.... i can't do that now..

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Just Learnin'

I just wish that they had a proactive/interactive forum with online Tech support. Such as ....... oh I don't know OCZ maybe? I guess I just got spoiled there and started to expect some service for my money silly me!!!!!!!! That might mean they would have to actually look at, no admit to a problem. Maybe even hire/train someone!!!

I really am sorry about this blithering but I just tried yet another "driver delight" combo. No FM but fairly decent TV so far. If anyone has had some sort of consistent stability with a set of drivers please PM me with the installation, use baby steps please, like with the actual WDM driver version numbers as a manual install will likely be necessary.

All the best -Pete

Judas

heh.. i just noticed your running one of the most currect... top of the line AIW... my gaud.. you shouldn't be having much of any troubles at all (usually it's the older generation stuff that gets left behind with lacking support)...

Need an ATI guy to respond to this thread.... someone.. anyone just to let us know what might be happening... such as "need more demand for reports" or people to get there attention... or there looking into it atm. ? Don't know.. something

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H3X4D3C1M4L

Hehe I'm running a $500 (CDN) dollar top of the line card and I still get problems.... man...

I just want the software for AiW stuff fixed the rest of it is fine

Just Learnin'

Oh oh, I just noticed your not running an X800 XT ?AIW? I thought maybe there was hope in a future driver release. I do not see how things can get worse, no competition in this market sure has made ATi uncaring. Another lock up since my last post just took out 20 hours of my F@H QMD core work unit!!!! Thanks ATi!!!


What does an "ATi guy" look/sound like? I have had this response from them about my card, at this point it would be best if you just sent us the card for "servicing". I had more ideas about what to try than he did. They had me install some "X10" drivers in regards to the remote, no help. Oh yeah, and when I asked them how to uninstall those drivers, no reply!!!! Just an error message when trying to get rid of them through the Add/Remove programs.

Not sure if anyone else here uses AVG Free antivirus, if so have you noticed that the WDM/Display drivers cause the Email scanner to load slowly on boot with the latest AVG release?


Is this site sponsored by ATi? Am I about to be banned?

Judas

I don't use an Anti-Virus program at all.. they cause more problems then they solve enless it's a corporate eddition of norton which runs from another machine that slowly scans files over the network. (that way only one computer is slow and screwed up majority of the time)

BTW, i'm currently using an 9600XT - AIW AGP card.... but i build various machines and some people have been asking about my media center.... i told them currently, it's kinda so-so because although WHEN it works... it works great.. but i'm getting alot of lockups an crashes and even just outright stupid bugs (still can't get the scheduler to work.. won't record anything at all for me)

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Just Learnin'

No PM's ???? Either the bazillion members here have absolutely no problems with the AIW software and have no need to even look at this thread?? Or no one else has it working right and are too embarassed to post here????

Judas you mentioned not hooking it up to your entertainment system due to instability issues. I am worried about using anything more than basic software on my PC for fear of conflicts, just want to narrow things down......... Nope, guess it is just the AIW software, sigh!!!!!

H3X4D3C1M4L

Now reading the X1800XL AiW review... it has 9.10 and we get nothing. Woo.

Judas

Well, i can't say i've had much of any conflicts with any other software.. i wouldn't be able to determine if they actually made anything worse.. my AIW doesn't work the moment i fire up ATI's MMC. ( seriously.. totally broken)

But i run serveral programs/servers even on the same machine. Due to the IDE traffic, the method that ATI has implemented for the new "AUDIO" is for some reason in conflict with say a game server loading up in the background (causes the audio to cut out for split seconds at a time while loading, shortly after, when things are well, comes back.. but is sevearly laging behind the video, forcing me to restart the tv in order to get back, channel changing doesn't remedy it either.) What's really strange for ATI to comprehend doing, is doing the audio thing, and then expecting us to record, NOW initially recording for say an half hour doesn't really end up with lag. But more and not only does the live TV start to lag, but the recorded version also shows the audio lagging. IMO, MAJOR PROBLEM ATI, please do fix it, or hopefully you did with MMC 9.10 (which i'd like to know wtf it is )



Here a goodie to chew on again. When using the intial AIW drivers that came with the aiw card i got, along with the updated video drivers, i could watch tv AND play say UT2004 while running several servers in the background at the same time with utterly no issues at all.. However, theres always a bug that needed to be rememdied with an update, software out dating other software for example. To make use of the correct recording options and abilities or anything else i need, i have to keep up to date.. but in doing so, has caused more... Now i've tried to run the older one but run into more problems then i did before with them, why? because other software is updated to take advantage of what ati has updated themselves. Quite the delema?

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Just Learnin'

Still no PM's?? It seems no solution is forthcoming, X1000 series users are hitting the same wall of pain I see from other forums. Class action anyone??

H3X4D3C1M4L

X1800XL AiW have this problem? Oh good :roll:

H3X4D3C1M4L

Heres a great idea for ATI:

At least give us the option during WDM install of weather we want the analog or digital drivers

Just Learnin'

Weird thing is I can get my TV to run without crashing with older analogs but then I get no FM. If I use the newer digital drivers I get exceptional FM and guaranteed nasty rotten severe lockups in the TV program. Looks like I have 1/2 an AIW........

H3X4D3C1M4L

THats whacky.... one or the other.... aren't there analog FM drivers out there though?

Just Learnin'

It seems you get either analog or the digital for both. You can't seperate which uses which. The analogs do not work for my FM and the digital don't work with my TV.

H3X4D3C1M4L

TBH I'm surprised ATI Doesn't read this forum more, they're active in other parts of the forum but never this one.

I think we're some of the most devoted of their customers too. My last two cards were very expensive ATI AiW cards, got them brand new and all.