H3X4D3C1M4L

With the recent release of SP3 I decided to fire up my X800XT AiW again. So far the experience has been totally positive.... a stock SP3 with the software that came on my CD yielded a flawless MMC experience... it all works. Conversely using the software on ATI/AMD's site yielded a "can't find the tuner" message (when I know that the tuner driver is installed).

Has anyone else tried their AiW on SP3? I'm interested to hear experiences good and bad.

Judas

that's good news...

but i've been without a AIW for about 4 months now since i basically gave up..

however i was hoping SP1 for vista and AIW support in windows supplied MMC would work..... however no news thus far....

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H3X4D3C1M4L

I don't think it will actually work with the built in Multimedia Center in Vista.

I was however looking for XP SP3 feedback

Melissa2008B

Hi folks,

I'm new to this board and don't know how to find the first posts of this thread, but a few days ago, I installed SP3 and I've had an All In Wonder 128 Pro for several years, and since installing SP3 I'm getting weird computer noises impinging on the audio. Is there any fix for this?

Judas

unfortuneately i'm not sure what's going on there for you melissa..

however i just received a older computer containing a radeon 7500 aiw.

and i just installed xp sp3 and i must say, suddenly things are working properly for the people that had this machine.... they said ever since Sp1, the machines AIW functions stopped working well.

currently using the 6.11 drivers

with the older MMC

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Melissa2008B

Argh, I just found out what it was. I ALSO installed a new DVD burner ( no problem ) and a USB2 port PCI card. Guess where that went. RIGHT NEXT to the AIW! Argh!

Guess it's causing RFI. Gotta move it...

H3X4D3C1M4L

I don't think its RFI... you're probably looking at a DMA resource allocation issue.

nbarzgar

Hi there,

am running Windows XP Pro SP2 with the AiW X800GT (AGP; Format:PAL) and tried SP3, but I had problems with any driver I tried (tuner-problems mostly, if I remember correctly, about 3 months ago...*) and ended up re-installing Windows.
I decided not to try and use SP3 at all.

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* either tuner not found or tuning impossible...

H3X4D3C1M4L

So far that's the first time I've ever heard of that! Thanks for the feedback

G00k

It makes me want to set fire to my computer room.

I have a AIW 9600 that had been working fine for a couple years. I use Pinacle 9 to capture and edit from tape, and watch TV while doing other things on my PC. Never tried using it as a recorder from cable.

Anyway, I tried to bring the TV app up to watch whilst doing something else, and there's no video. Sound's okay, but black screen. If I click on the channel surf button, I get a second of video displayed before it jumps into the thumbnails. (the thumbnails display).

I D/L'ed the Catalyst drivers and MMC packages, removed all the old stuff, rebooted and began to load the new stuff - no joy. Went to the website, looked at the knowledge base (looks like remmove / reinstall is the bulk of their advice.)

I opened a ticket, got told to do it again. asked for other ideaS, and they gave me a different apge of downloads that look like older stuff. Installed that - hey, it worked! Shutdown for the night. The next morning, I powered up - XP finds new hardware; the upshot?: TV doesn't work (no picture). Tried removal / reinstall again - works for a while, the next day it doesn't. Asked if SP3 had known issues with the AIW - the half answer: it could be, but they didn't recommend backing it out. I backed it out anyway - removed/ reinstalled new version: no joy. Put back the older version - it's working for now. Oh, and the install programs on the newer group of drivers, etc, seem to blow up - eg: "mmccfg.exe encountered a problem and had to be shut down." It's sucking bad now.

Now it makes me wonder- is there an alternative to some of the ATI software? I thought I saw something out in this group, but can't find it again. It would probably be best to go that route since ATI seems to be opaque.

Whatdya think?

G00k

H3X4D3C1M4L

Sounds like SP3 hasn't changed much. People still get random issues everywhere you go.

The Elf Himself

Well, H3X4D3C1M4L, I too own an ATI X800 XT AIW, (mines an AGP) and although this is my first post here at Driver Heaven, I have been an avid reader of your posts for some time now.

I guess I was one of the Blessed... after an initial battle to get the card running properly way back in 2005 when I built this machine up until about July of '08 I enjoyed almost perfect performance from my AIW ... Then one day, w/o warning I started to get capture stuttering and freezing and audio problems and all the rest of the stuff so typical to the postings I've read here ... I went through the whole mill trying to get the card to capture again, trying every combination of ATI drivers I was aware of at the time...hour upon hour of frustration, confusion, desperation, etc, ad nauseum... you know the drill...

Ultimately this lead me to nuke the main drive from space and perform a ground up installation w/ XP Pro... SP3 had just arrived so rather than endure all those security patch & hotfix downloads from MS, I opted to just use the new service pack... I installed all the ATI drivers & MMC that came with the card on it's CD and bingo! Everything tested just fine... Yay!

But I was greedy... In the past, I had successfully updated the ATI CD software a couple of times and wanted things to be back to EXACTLY what I had grown accustomed to, mainly there was an option for 5.1 audio that I had gotten fond of ... so I then installed the latest combination of drivers that was working for me before the still-unexplained capture loss... Catalyst 6.2, MMC 9.16, RW 3.03 & Hydravision 3.25 ... Humm, in retrospect, I shoulda left well enough alone, huh?...

Well, a mysterious & new (well new to me at the time anyway..) problem appeared... the capture now refuses to work after just about 90 seconds of perfect running....plus a bunch of the problems I now know are typical to MMC 9.16

Again, I tried everything and went online looking for answers daily, which eventually lead me to Driver Heaven and this post...

In the process, I have learned about NSP drivers, Omega drivers, Graphedit, VirtualDub & VirtualVCR, ATITools, HD unlocking and a few other things... I'm still learning something new about this issue almost every day... I may eventually cave in and perform another ritual cleansing of my drive and go back to the plain ol' CD setup and finish archiving the rest of my videotape, but not until I win ...

And I'm close to a win... On my last try, I got all the NSP driver stuff in right except for the TV Capture and now the TV functions beautifully with far better resolution that ever before, and the only problem left to solve is tied directly to that WDM TV Capture Driver , which is refusing to install correctly...

I don't know exactly which thread here I should go to ...I'd welcome some help there... but I want current info , which is why I landed with you... recent post date!

ATI / AMD, if you read this, know that you need to not only correct this foolishness once and for all by issuing a Catalyst driver package / MMC 10 for ALL PCI & AGP AIW owners, but also apoligize in writing to every one of your thus-far loyal customers.

Anyway, H3X4D3C1M4L, your thoughts??

H3X4D3C1M4L

Well... its going to come down to a lesson in futility. While I'm sure there is some solution or another to your problem, you might spend the rest of all time trying to find it rather than just swallowing your pride and going back to what worked

kman225

sp3 has been spotty for me at best... rather go with the lower much stable versions...

bdubslawman

I have one system running an X800XL PCI-E on a copy of XP MCE 2005 SP3. I have MC, CMC, and MMC 9.16 all running on it. But I get green bars randomly going across the screen (in all three) sometimes they are covering 90% of the screen they are randomly painted on...sometimes they are thin...covering very little of the screen but always there is static that accompanies this.
IDK if this is SP3 related entirely b/c I'm having some issues on another partition that has SP2 on it. I am starting another thread up if anyone can help on that one...


Can you or someone else post the link to the older drivers that they may have given you. I tried to archive a lot of the Catalyst drivers and MMC installations plus what I have on several Installation discs...but some of what I got was from third party sites; anyway ATI seems to have hidden or removed the main ones I'd like to get a copy of right now Catlyst 5.3 - 6.5 and I'd like another shot at some of the MMC's.

nbarzgar

Hey bdubslawman,

look on download from Guru3D.com.
It's guru3D's download-section and at about the middle of the page you'll find a link to the "ATI Videocards Catalyst..." part. Clicking on this you will get about any Catalyst driver ATI/AMD ever published, and they are the original one's, if not stated otherwise.
I have almost always used those, if needed. Far easier than trying to retrieve them from ATI, who very often remove the older files after a certain time.
Another good site for ATI drivers and stuff is also NGOHQ.com. They've got a "files" section, look for drivers there.
Good luck!

The Elf Himself

Hello everyone...

Just thought I would stop in and update you on the issues I've posted about...

I have an ATI x800 xt AIW AGP ... My earlier post in this thread will give you the background ... Here's the latest...

As is periodically the case with Windows, a clean install was recently called for..., so I dutifully backed up everything and nuked the drive from space... When putting all the software back on the drive, I decided to detail the process of getting everything back to working as it was ... ie, full capture functionality and 5.1 sound... plus tweaks...

I'm just starting on this part of the project, so you'll have to be patient, but I will stop back periodically and give you ALL the details as I get them documented...

What works for me might not work for you, but this forum has helped me greatly in the past and I'd like to return the favor....

The first trick is to install ONLY the display driver from the ATI installation disk that came with the card when first installing... yes, things can get changed later.. but at the start, just the original stock display driver... & Do NOT buy into Windows Update telling you that you need to update your video drivers.... That can come later...

The second thing that you might want to know is that one of those WDM specialized codecs that Windows Update will try to push on you is an MVD codec...supposedly necessary to TV capture operation.

WATCH OUT!... MVD stands for Macrovision Detect...just Google "Macrovision" and you'll get the idea quick enough...

The second trick is to build yourself an archive of every ATI & Omega driver set you can find... If you go to the AMD ATI driver download palace right now, you will discover that they are only keeping the last year's worth of ATI drivers available... & since they release a new Catalyst set every month... well, time marches on... down the road, when you are in desparate need of a version from, say, June '08?... you won't find it at AMD...

I've gotta run right now, but I'll be back in a couple of days to give you some more tips...

All Th' Best...

nbarzgar

You're right concerning ATI/AMD's site, BUT here's the nice news: www.guru3D.com has got them ALL!
Way back into Catalyst 4.xx

Thank you, I've got an ATI X800GT, so your 'journal' might also prove useful to me...
Good luck!

The Elf Himself

Hello All...

First Off, I want to apologize for turning the promised couple of days into a couple of months... it's Summer and I have a hundred yr old house to keep me busy ...

That said, here's another update for you ATI AIW x800XT owners... look at my previous posts on this thread for what's been said already...& remember I said that these tips might not work for you...

Ok, at the moment, I have everything, including streaming capture, running fine... There are minor annoyances but we have found work-arounds for all of these...

The pertinent lines on my Installed Programs list currently read as follows...

ATI Decoder
ATI Display Driver (Omega 3.8.221)
DH Driver Cleaner Professional Edition
Intel Indeo® Software
MultiRes (remove only)
Nero 7 Ultra Edition
Radeon Omega Drivers v3.8.221 Setup Files & Tools

The ATI Tray Tools were installed, but aren't at the moment ...go figure!


Please note that I did NOT list...

.Net Framework any version
DAO
Catalyst Control Center
MMC any version
Remote Wonder any version (although I'll be working on that part presently...gotta have a remote)


I'm still sorting out EXACTLY how I arrived back at this blessed state of functionality... meaning I have a BIG pile of notes that still have to be organized ... but the apoproximate order of battle went something like this...

Clean Install of OS
Install ONLY the display driver from the ATI AIW disk
Restart
Installed Omega drivers corresponding to Catalyst 6.2
Restart
Installed Catalyst 6.2 WDM SP drivers (and XP fought like a uncaged tiger against this ... those XP Service packs come with newer drivers for tons of devices, including versions you REALLY don't want)
Restart
Install ATI Tray Tools
Restart
Install each of the 3 parts of MMC 9.06 followed by a Restart...
this MMC thing was mainly done to get the ATI DVD decoder in correctly... and this looks like is may be a BIG problem nowadays if you don't have a previously downloaded installation file cribbed away in that archive I talk about above...
BTW, since the conversion to digital broadcasting renders the AIW's onboard analog scheduling obsolete, you can skip installing Gemstar & AuthorScript altogether

Once the DVD decoder was in ok, I tested to see if could get a live TV signal through to the monitor screen... Once that was accomplished I played a DVD to test that ...hooked my VCR up to the video inputs of the AIW to get the VCR menu on the monitor screen... and then....

I cheated...

Out went the MMC, except for the DVD decoder
I replaced it with Nero 7 ... Nero does everything that the MMC can do and is ... what a concept!! ... SUPPORTED by it's authors, unlike certain video card drivers I know of.... hummmmmm!

To be sure, there is a learning curve getting the AIW to behave itself & obey you... the one problem that took us the longest to figure out was the "no sound, just static on capture" issue... but as this is fairly well documented elsewhere, I skip it here.

No, I don't know if a later ver. of Nero will work.. I don't have that, just ver. 7

Yes, you may have to repeat all of the above more than once... I did it three times before everything fell into line... the exact order of battle apparantly CAN make a difference... WHY? ask the engineers who wrote the code...

Yes, I took out the ATI Tray Tools... Once they were set, I never looked at them again, and I don't like icons in the tray taking up resources and asking for Internet access, which my security sortware kept telling me about ... so I ditched 'em... No problems that I can detect as yet

Tip... If you have an AGP AIW like mine, I strongly advise that you avoid the unified ATI T200 Drivers like the plague itself. Think "T" for "Terminator"

Another note... the SP / NSP designation apparently means "Sideport" & "Non-Sideport"... I'm told by an video engineer friend of mine who wishes to remain nameless that the "Sideport" is essential to video capture on AGP cards ... again, if you disagree, ask him, not me...

Other tips... I'm told Fast Writes (in BIOS) & AGP AIW capture are like oil & water

... you'll note that I have listed Indeo® on my list... If you have certain older games ( Civilization II comes to mind ) you may want the Indeo drivers. Certain Indeo drivers that are essential to Video For Windows devices & games are NO LONGER included in Windows or freely available on the web for that matter.

... I see that there are a couple of excellent driver archives out there ... My best advice is to use them... This very day, I visited the current site of the company that bought the company that made one of my motherboards... I found myself reflecting on how wonderfully foresighted I was to have spent an entire weekend downloading and cataloging their library of drivers for that mobo. Why?... because they ain't there no moe!!

There's a LOT more, but this covers the basics and I want to go eat...

Hope this helps you... If it does, post back & tell me, cause that will give me the incentive to go through the 3 inch stack of printouts I've collected on the AIW capture tricks during the course of this trek...

Enjoy!

Mac Daddy

I am sure that will be helpful to some members thanks for taking the time and enjoy your summer

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