Kx Asio Routing

steve757

I'm using Chainer and Adobe Audition 1.5.
I now have an Audigy 2 card but the same routing worked for my old SB Live card.
I found this routing from a friend, but have never seen it in print.

The original question....
How to set the KXMIXER so that I can record using softsynths without the first track feeding into the second track and on.

Creative labs told me it couldn't be done, and that they don't support other products..like Adobe Audition.
Called Adobe, and they said it couldn't be done.

Now don't confuse this with line-in recording.
I'm talking about strictly using soft synths, like Hypersonic (my favorite!).

So the answer I got from my friend was to go into the ASIO routing section, and change KX Out 0 to value 2 on the right side of the panel.
And change KX Out 1 to value 3.

Voila...now I can record without any bleedover.

So I don't know why it works, how it works, but it works.

Is there a better way?

I'd love to hear from you.

By the way, I've searched and found nothing that I've just listed in this post.

And I'd like to understand this whole kx thing better.
Especially the pv16v stuff! And the best way to do what I'm already doing (if there is a better way).
Remember I'm using Adobe Audition, and that's the only program I need to use with Chainer (my favorite simple VST Host program).

Feel free to email me at
steve757@comcast.net

Thanks.

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Lex Nahumury

Regardless what ASIO software you use (Chainer, Adobe Audition, Cubase, Sonar or whatever..), using the DSP window is all you need to learn and is all that really matters in using kX as a musician.
You'll find all your answers, wishes etc. in the DSP.

Understanding kX's concept, the role of the DSP, DSP-plugins etc. can be
hard at first but once understood it's quite simple and you won't regret learning it.

To (hopefully) make things easier I suggest you;

1. study this tutor: A newbie guide on kX's (DSP) concept or "How to setup your DSP".
2. get the ProFx plugins: NEW: ProFx (3538) Update Incl. MX6 and AC97

or go directly to: http://members.home.nl/nahutec/

HTH,

/Lex.

TravelRec.

Confirmed! You can do everything that is supported by your hardware (e.g. SoundCard) - with kX. Specially switching channels is done very easy by simply connecting and disconnecting or switching lines in the DSP-window, manually or via a plugin and MIDI-automation. Learn all about the kX-driver and give it a try. Creative: "not possible..." ts ts ts... I don´t think that Creative´s members really know what they say...

Lex Nahumury

TravelRec.

Yes, I love it, but maybe they are so lucky with the new information that they simply forgot to answer .

Lex Nahumury

That must be it! (nice one..lol)

steve757

sorry about the delay in answering back.
I will study the info that everyone has so nicely provided!
Did anyone read about what I said about changing the ASIO routing?
If so, no one answereed that question.
By changine KX out 0 value from 1 (or zero, I don't remember) to 2,
AND
by changing KX out 1 value to 3,
I don't have to go into the DSP section at all!
That's what I asked originally.
Sure, I'll learn the DSP stuff, but this works great.
I was just wondering why no one else is doing this!
As much as I love learning about more stuff (NOT), this is a really swift solution that I have only seen in print ONCE.
You guys try this, and tell me if it's not easier, and for some reason, now undocumented.

Doug W

So are you talking about changing one of these values -A, B, C or D?
http://www.maxminn.net/emily40/images/kxasioout0.jpg

Russ

Changing the ASIO routing is easy (and is a function of your host software (choosing what inputs/outputs to use)), but it requires DSP knowledge in order to understand what you are actually acomplishing by changing the routing (particularly ASIO inputs (into the DSP -- from your host)). Once you understand how the DSP works, you are able to understand this stuff yourself.

Using ASIO, you have up to 16 different inputs and 16 different outputs, all of which can be routed independantly of each other, and thus can be recorded as seperate tracks (but you need to understand the DSP in order to be able to do the DSP routing).

The reason you did not get a specific answer to your question is because it was a little vague (still is), and requires info about the DSP setup you are using, as well as the specifcs about your recording setup/needs.

i.e.
Changing the ASIO output (in your Host software) from kX Out 0/1 to kX Out 2/3 has the signal entering the DSP on FxBus 2/3. Under the default DSP setup, this will use the same path in the DSP as the kX Synth's. What does this mean as far as recording goes, I have no idea, since I do not know what DSP setup you are using, nor what inputs (out of the DSP -- to your host) you are using for recording, etc.

Lex Nahumury

I'm glad you are happy. (for now)
However, you just found out *one* (out of many) working solution to *one*
particulair 'problem'.
Sooner or later you will want more and will run into yet another 'problem'
and post a new question about it.

Bottom line; ... There is no way to fully master kX without going into the DSP window
and understanding it!
Any kX 'regular' can confirm this.

Cheers,

/Lex.

steve757

I think my needs are more simple that others.
I merely want to record using Adobe Audition, and not have my soft synths record over to the next track, as they are seen as wav's just like the new recording track on track 2, for instance.
When I change the value in the ASIO kxrouter KX OUT 0 value to 2,
And I change the value in the ASIO kxrouter KX OUT1 value to 3, it solves any problems of anything recording on a channel that shouldn't be there!
Please folks, before you tell me to study the DSP, try it!
I think you'll find out, especially for those of us that hate sequencing, and just want to play our parts into adobe audition, that this is an elegant solution without any time spent on learning yet another set of solutions.
WHY?
Because it works!
That's all I need, with Chainer and Adobe Audition and all my soft synths, and vocals.
IF you are using this setup, please try it.
Before you delve into the DSP setup.
I will try yours if you try mine!
Let's keep this a friendly discussion.
I love learning new things, but I have 3 unfinished songs, and will have to see what benefits your way is to mine.
Right now, I am happy just to share my easy solution.
But I am the type of guy who won't learn sequencing
because it takes away from the human feel that I strive for.
And because I'm lazy!
Please....try my solution before you knock it!
By the way, when you do use my solution with adobe or any other program like cubase, there's no need to change any routing in the host program at all!

Russ

Noone is knocking your solution. On the contrary, we are only pointing out that with knowledge of the DSP, you will understand why your solution works, and ways to find your own solutions to future problems that you might have. Trust me, many people are using similar solutions for many different things.

Doug W

steve757,

I think that your method will appeal to some people who are musicians and don't care to mess with software anymore than they have to, so it will help some people.

I am a partial geek / musician / graphics guy. For me, the DSP is a graphic representation of what I want to do in a recording chain and it makes it simple for me to figure out how to add something I need in the recording chain.

I don't mess with the mixers at all any more so I don't have to try to remember which sliders are up and which are down and "why is that input not recording?"

Then I save my particular setup so it is ready the next time. For instance this SKYPE setup, (not a recording thing I know), is very simple to figure out for me:

http://www.maxminn.net/emily40/images/skype03.jpg

The MIC goes into the WinMM recording input to be sent to computers around the world.

SRC FXBus 0/1 is the incoming Skype caller or any audio from the computer

SRC FXBus 8/9 is for any MIDI that might happen while I am making a Skype call. I don't know why I expect to listen to MIDI during a phone call but you know, just in case.

The Signal from MX6 goes to Analog Front out for the headphones.

I threw in some volume control in each line and X4 is just a boost, if needed for the mic signal.

Again, I think that your method is fine and will appeal to some people. I personally like to see the whole thing graphically, just like real-world inputs, mixers and volume knobs.

silvertones

Has anyone realised that Adobe Audition 1.5 is NOT ASIO complient!