irans leader threatens israel again

Sandok · Apr 20, 2006, 02:06 AM

That post Neon is just too long...

moeness86 · Apr 20, 2006, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mike2h

it is not what i say but what they want. do you think they care if any muslims get killed? hasnt stopped them yet. they can be martyrs.. yeh thats it martyrs.
islam is being forced on all sorts of people. you need to follow what is going on in the world carefully.

if islam is supposed to be forced on people , spain would now
be a muslim country .. muslims ruled it for 500 years .
also in all arab countries including saudia arabia , some christians still live a normal life ..
i might not deliver all that i want to say properly .. check http://www.islamonline.net
& http://www.islamway.com

and i dont really know of a single example of current circumstances in which islam has been forced on people .. may be u can tell of one ???

mike2h · Apr 21, 2006, 01:29 AM

what do you think the people are fighting amongst themselves over there? it is convert or die. only the chance to convert isnt really given. the whole fundamentalist goal is everybody being muslim or being dead.
while i know this is far from mainstream muslim belief their inaction in putting a stop to it is a kind of support in itself.
christians(&most other religions) have these fanatic type groups but manage to keep them inline. this is not happening in islam.
if the islamic countries do not want outside interference they need to start policing the fanatics. but they have either refused to or been singularly inefectual about it.
if you are born into a muslim house in a muslim country there is little to no choice about your religion. that guy in afghanistan is a classic example. he converted to christianity & a nice chunk of the population wants him dead. while this not quite the same as forcing religion on others it is represantative if their overall attitude to unbelievers.

moeness86 · Apr 21, 2006, 04:19 AM

i guess that part about conversion is in every religion ..
here a christian last year converted to islam , and the church was pursuing her
for this is not an individual action , as it may shake the faith of others .
but , i have to say that guys in iraq and iran are soooo crazy .. but this is about factions , not islam
shiites bomb sunni mosques !
they have to be extremely stupid to do such a thing

Pompey · Apr 21, 2006, 04:54 AM

No its not.
Whilst some extreme christians may want to kill those who reject Christianity it is not accepted under the law or by the general public. Many people here in the west change their religion or give it up entirely and they are not brought to court to face excecution.

Why not demonstrate how tolerant islam is by explaining to everyone the Jizya?

Lets look at what rights non-muslims DONT have in Islamic states:

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Muslims believe that the Zimmis are Mushrikun (polytheists) for they see the belief in the Trinity as belief in three gods. Islam is the only true religion, they claim. Therefore, to protect Muslims from corruption, especially against the unforgivable sin of shirk (polytheism), its practice is forbidden among Muslims, because it is considered the greatest abomination. When Christians practice it publicly, it becomes an enticement and exhortation to apostasy. It is significant here to notice that according to Muraghi, Zimmis and infidels are polytheists and therefore, must have the same treatment.

According to Muslim jurists, the following legal ordinances must be enforced on Zimmis (Christians and Jews alike) who reside among Muslims:

1) Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer.

2) Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.

3) Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples.

4) Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity.

5) Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines.

6) Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple.

7) Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/NonMuslims/rights.htm

Are Muslims subjugated to such laws in the west? No!

moeness86 · Apr 21, 2006, 11:55 AM

jyziah was only paid during the days of prophet mohamed , bcoz christians , jews and other religions didnt have a military duty , so instead they paid this amount of money .
And one more thing ..
u cant really judge a religion by the acts of ppl NOW :
muslims 2day r not exactly what they r supposed to b , neither r christians or jews
in the old days - i mean medieval - ppl were more spiritual and they truly represented an image of their religion .. it was governing their lives in every aspect
nowadays , u can say that almost everybody is consumed in life and barely has time @ all to do his prayers - if at all .
So when u want to know about a religion , refer to the source , Bible , Quran , Tourah , .....

Sandok · Apr 21, 2006, 12:14 PM

And yes, read child stories written by some crazy ass person about the best way to enslave people. Religion is evolving and yes, in the medial ages the inquisiition was dangerous with the church and all but christians have INTERGRATED themselves into the societies of the most powerful and wealthy countries.

Muslims society is still barbaric, unfaire and that's the only place Islam can survive well. Muslims in Europe at least don't get beaten up but we want people to integrate into the society and to see people wearing headscarves and shawls is just... well wrong. Muslims have no understanding the majority of the time (when their religion is taken to the letter like in the Quran) and it's a surprise that Pakistan, Iran, Saudia Ariabia and MANY MANY MANY others are all dictatorships...

moeness86 · Apr 21, 2006, 12:43 PM

wearing head scarve is a MUSt for them , and may B even sthg christians should do ..
y do u think nuns cover their heads ?
it's us who have deserted what is right and set new standards for what should be done and what shouldn't
u cant ask any body concerned about his religion y he wont come with u for a beer .. he simply doesn't drink bcoz its wrong in the Book .
Our reaction is built upon that kind of frustration .
and yes most muslim countries r ruled by dictators , but thats bcoz ppl r stupid and lazy not to remove them , not out of islam