Windows 64 Questions (& Answers)

Necrosis · Mar 5, 2006, 08:48 AM

Whoa back the truck up. Seriously try it first before you buy it.

Gardinen · Mar 5, 2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

Whoa back the truck up. Seriously try it first before you buy it.

Oh, that I will do. Just have to find a DEMO first.

**Asmoday** · Mar 5, 2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gardinen

Oh, that I will do. Just have to find a DEMO first.

Here you go...

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/6...ion/trial.mspx

Chaos · Mar 5, 2006, 11:04 AM

I hope you like it, I really find a difference myself

[hobo]eclipse · Mar 5, 2006, 03:00 PM

well i tried out vista and it was cool looin, but that was bout all, wasnt much to do, so i signed up for the XP 64 trial, how long is this trial anyway? when i booted i registered cause it said i had 14 days, but ive seen nothing of another time limit?....

so far so good, found all my drivers on asus's ad VIA's sites, just gettin settled in, so ill see how games feel in a bit, Question, should most apps just work(give or take a few, im sure), just go about like regular,selecting 64 bit installations and such whenever available?

Chaos · Mar 5, 2006, 03:14 PM

yes the apps should work pretty much the same as ever, but if you do get the option to install 64bit versions you should see a performance increase if the app is well coded

Judas · Mar 5, 2006, 03:17 PM

pretty much... before you install anything.. do a search and see if they have a specific 64bit instruction setup or something.. cause if you can, make the most outa your 64bit installation

only a few games that require the installation of there own stupid little (copy protection) driver that is only 32bit will generally not work.... other then that... everything else seems to install and work very very quickly on any system i've ran..

The only minor differences i've found is slot of 32bit programs that are 3D or benchmarks that are 32bit tend to have occasionally a lower result....not all that much slower result mind you....

But alot of the 64bit native apps.. expecially UT2004 64bit, shows some very seriously good results....

[hobo]eclipse · Mar 5, 2006, 04:02 PM

tried installing crap cleaner, it went, thats when i noticed the 2 separate program files folders, it works but the integration into he recyclin bin right click menu isnt there, no biggy,

a lil bummed the program (icon packager) that i used to change my icon package all at once was shareware and only the registered version supports x64, i hate the defaults, any one know of a way to get an icon package file installed on x64?

and this evaluation copy i downloaded, does anyone know exactly what restriction and\or time limits it has??

Judas · Mar 5, 2006, 04:11 PM

i beleive it's 180 days on the trail version

hohum · Mar 5, 2006, 05:28 PM

Going to try using x64 as my main O/S soon, as I've checked around and pretty much all the apps I use either work or have a newer version available that supports x64.

However, one thing I'm not too clear on is audio/video codecs... are these affected in any way? I tend to use XviD a lot for example, so it's gonna be a bit of a problem if that codec doesn't work. I'd like to assume they will work fine, but can someone clear this up for me? Thanks.

[hobo]eclipse · Mar 5, 2006, 05:54 PM

dunno bout the codecs hohum?......

i found this post containing some links to 64 bit patches and versions of various programs. Check it out! Its over at atomic PC forums , not bad

[hobo]eclipse · Mar 5, 2006, 08:06 PM

does any1 have experiance runnin ATI tray tools under x64, wandrin how this would go as i dont like loadin up the CCC to fiddle with my card, it really is a hog

EDIT*

im seein the newest tray tools supports Win 2003, i know x64 is its cousin as per my recent reading, is it safe to say 2003 compatible progs are compatible with x64, im just concerned about this cause the driver i installed was 64 bit, not the regular catalyst so is this regular ATI TT ok?

Necrosis · Mar 5, 2006, 09:30 PM

So far I've found most apps that work with 2K3 work great /w XP x64.

[hobo]eclipse · Mar 6, 2006, 02:57 AM

well uninstalled the CCC, installed the latest ATI TT and all is good, now for the tasty part!, installed Farcry with the 64 bit update and content, all i can say is WOW!, excuse the pun but this is the way it was meant to be played right here! smooth as i have ever played the game, everything was maxed in game with 2aa 4af via TT, definatly a huge difference in playability and the IQ is superb as well, use to have alot of lil anomilies (flashig textures, etc...) but now i havent seen any in the lil bit i played.

very happy so far, i can see usin this here for awhile while vista gets its footing, might even have to pay for a copy after awhile, hehe

Necrosis · Mar 7, 2006, 12:32 AM

Indeed Farcry is great. This weekend I hope to try the 64 version of Half Life 2!

PandaZ3 · Nov 4, 2006, 11:53 AM

I have Far Cry 64, BF2. Company of heros, Flight Simulator X Deluxe all on a now beta version of X64 with SP2 (Build 3790). I have been using X64 for a year I'd guess and it is the One!

Necrosis · Dec 20, 2006, 12:17 AM

Just curious if any one has tried the RC for SP2 yet?

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

PandaZ3 · Dec 20, 2006, 12:26 AM

I have the RC on now and love it

Necrosis · Dec 20, 2006, 12:56 AM

I seen on one site they said you have to install SP1 even if it came on your copy of XP x64. Is this true?

PandaZ3 · Dec 20, 2006, 01:09 AM

I had to uninstall the beta and re-install the RC, but I did follow the instructions, I was using a newer build of X64 (Build 3790) and the RC is version 2825. my beta was 2805.

I do have a OEM copy of XP X64, but I have been doing beta testing hence the current setup. I like it and believe it is now a mainstream OS, I have no driver issues at all. I have a HP printer ATI video card, Audigy 2 Value sound card, Uli Chip-set and no driver issues at all.

I don't think you have to worry as long as SP1 is installed at some point, but I did not pay as close attention as I could have. I see if I can't find those instructions

PandaZ3 · Dec 20, 2006, 01:19 AM

Here is part of the story

Welcome to the
Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 Beta Release

June 26th 2006

Microsoft is currently developing Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 (WS03 SP2). WS03 SP2 will be a conventional service pack consisting of all security updates; all individual hotfixes released to customers; and fixes to reduce top customer support issues as well as increase reliability, robustness, and security.

Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 will update the following versions:

32-bit x86:

Windows Server 2003, Web Editions (32-bit x86)
Windows Server 2003 R2, Standard Editions (32-bit x86)
Windows Server 2003 R2, Enterprise Editions (32-bit x86)
Windows Server 2003 R2, Datacenter Editions (32-bit x86)

x64:

Windows Server 2003 R2, Standard x64 Edition
Windows Server 2003 R2, Enterprise x64 Edition
Windows Server 2003 R2, Datacenter x64 Edition
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition

Itanium:

Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition for Itanium-based Systems
Windows Server 2003, Datacenter Edition for Itanium-based Systems

Customer Value Proposition for Service Pack 2

Includes all previously released Security Bulletin Updates
Rolls up all individual hotfixes released to customers since RTM
Provides fixes to increase reliability, robustness and security

PandaZ3 · Dec 20, 2006, 01:22 AM

And the other shoe

Release Candidate for Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 is released!
Windows Serviceability is pleased to announce the release of the Release Candidate (build 2825) of Service Pack 2 for Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
This build contains:

Roll up of hotfixes released to date
Roll up of security updates released to date
Fixes for bugs reported by Beta customers and other known issues on previous Service Pack 2 builds

This build should be used for full deployment purposes, including pre-production testing or general compatibility testing. In order to have a stable test environment we strongly recommend un-installation of any previous SP2 builds from your machines before installing build 2825.
If you previously installed an integrated build of SP2, you cannot upgrade your system to build 2825 with this refresh; you will need to re-install a released version (RTM, SP1, or R2) of Windows Server 2003 before upgrading to build 2825. Go to edited out to find an evaluation copy of Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1.
Release notes for this build can be found at edited out
With SP2, Windows Server 2003 x64 Editions will start supporting 9 new languages: Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, French, German, Italian, Korean, Portuguese (Brazilian). Russian, and Spanish. With RC, Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition is available in German for the first time.
Additionally, with RC, a MUI servicing package is available, which is specific to 3 components (Microsoft Management Console (MMC) 3.0, Windows Deployment Services and Microsoft File Server Management). This is not a re-release of the Windows Server 2003 MUI Pack. This MUI servicing pack is designed to increase the compatibility between MUI and localized languages for these 3 components. More information about this pack can be found at edited out
The list of releases is as follows:

Languages:

- English, German, Japanese, Korean

x86:

- Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 ISO image

- SP2 32-bit x86 standalone updates

- SP2 Standalone x86 check build (for debugging)

- Windows Server 2003, Web Editions with SP2 (32-bit x86)

- Windows Server 2003 R2, Standard Editions with SP2 (32-bit x86)

- Windows Server 2003 R2, Enterprise Editions with SP2 (32-bit x86)

- Windows Server 2003 R2, Datacenter Editions with SP2 (32-bit x86)

x64:

- Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 for x64 Editions ISO Image

- SP2 x64 standalone update

- SP2 Itanium Standalone check build (for debugging)

- Windows Server 2003 R2, Standard x64 Edition with SP2

- Windows Server 2003 R2, Enterprise x64 Edition with SP2

- Windows Server 2003 R2, Datacenter x64 Edition with SP2

- Windows XP Professional x64 Edition with SP2

Itanium:

- SP2 Itanium standalone updates

- SP2 Itanium standalone check build (for debugging)

- Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 for Itanium-based Systems ISO image

- Windows Server 2003, Enterprise with SP2 for Itanium-based Systems

- Windows Server 2003, Datacenter with SP2 for Itanium-based Systems

Tools:

- Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2 symbols

- MUI Servicing Pack

We encourage you to continue WS03 SP2 Beta testing with this build and provide feedback.
Once more, thank you for your participation to SP2 Beta program! As always, send mail to edited out if you encounter any issues.
Windows Serviceability Team

It would appear from the instructions any release with SP1 will do.

Zelig · Dec 20, 2006, 01:58 AM

Windows XP Pro X64 only is available with SP1, it was released after SP1 for Windows Server 2003.

Necrosis · Dec 20, 2006, 06:20 PM

Installed, and running well. I'm not seeing that much difference though.

PandaZ3 · Dec 20, 2006, 08:24 PM

What I saw was a stretching of the envelope, it seems to be more friendly toward other applications and hardware, more like 32 bit in that respect, but it still seems snappier and happier to me.