Problems With MY ATI Mobility 9000/9100 Playing EA Games

TheRealness · Jan 18, 2006, 10:34 PM

ive tried just about everything to play a few games and still can't, at first i was going to complain but then i read and found the answer to my question [img]images/smilies/smilie.gif[/img]

But my concern is do you have anything to suppor the ATI Mobility Radeon 9000/9100 I just recentley bought
NBA Live 2006
Need For Speed Most Wanrted
And the Sims 2

and non of them seem to work thats over 120 dollars gone to waste so please if you have anything to help me out reply back

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P.S. If any of you guys can help me out, please do so

Lots of thanks in advanced and if u can give me the donation e-mail threw paypal i will greatly do so, I have learned LOTS from yhis site

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 18, 2006, 11:25 PM

For 1 you don't need two threads, for two you can
use omaga drivers , DHzp, or the ofical drivers and
use the mobilty mod tool, all can be found on the DH
downloads server

also radeon 9000/9100 IGP is pretty weak and only
support DX8 via hardware so, if any of those games
require full DX9 support then thats why they won't run...

If your going to game you need to spend alot more and buy
a laptop with a much newer / more powerfull graphics or you
have to stick to older titles...

TheRealness · Jan 18, 2006, 11:30 PM

ive tried both, and i am new to this. and they both dont work, have you tried it with the ATI Mobility 9000/9100 it dosnt seem to work it just stays on the EA White banner.
So you experts i was hoping if i oculd get some help.

if you want ill delete the other thread sorry about that

im just really desperate and will pay if someone can help me out

TheRealness · Jan 18, 2006, 11:31 PM

this laptop is 3 months old

2.8ghz
128mb

im new to this i just thought that since im exceeding the recommended requirements i was good to go

patje · Jan 19, 2006, 11:54 AM

So, let's start with the beginning.
Which drivers did you use/try ?
Can you play other recent games not EA related?
what OS are you using? XP? win2k?
The more info we have, the better...

**Vikingod** · Jan 19, 2006, 12:08 PM

well, I replied in the other thread, so you won't be able to close it now, lets continue in this thread.

First of all, tell us what patje mentioned.

I can tell you that if your system only has 128mb of RAM, you don't meet minimum requirements for the three games you listed. The minimum requirements for all of them is 256mb of RAM, so that may be your problem.

TheRealness · Jan 19, 2006, 04:05 PM

Laptop Specs.

~Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2

~1GB of Ram

~128Mb ATI Mobility Radeon 9000/9100

~DirectX Version 9

~Intel Pentium IV 2.8Ghz

~60GB Hard Drive

The Drivers I've tried are as follows

~Radeon Omega Drivers 3.8.205 (Catalyst 6.1)
~ATI Catalyst 6.1 (CCC)
~The updated drivers from HP (My laptop is an HP Pavilion)
~Tried the ATI's with the DHmodtool and it installed fine, only thing it it went from being a 9000/9100 to a 9000
~But even at that it still will not work.

Anything else you need just ask

Thank You

quietas · Jan 20, 2006, 01:45 AM

ATI 9000/9200 will only run on Cat 5.6 or older. They won't recognize LCD laptop panels on newer versions. This includes all 5.7+ and the new 6.1 drivers. If you play BF2 (or other EA game) on a 9000, you have to have a 5.7+ version, which the 9000 won't support with the LCD. You can however run those games with a 9000 and new drivers on an external monitor.

Omega 2.6.42 are the last that work, they are based off Cat 5.6. DH Mod Tool will mod the newer ones, they won't work though.

TheRealness · Jan 20, 2006, 06:06 AM

Thanks Alot, but first of all I have a 9000/9100, and with what you said is that I can run this on an external and be ok?

patje · Jan 20, 2006, 07:58 AM

just to clear up some confusion:

The card you have is a either a mobility radeon 9000 or a mobility radeon 9100
The Ati installer detects it as mobility radeon 9000 so you can be sure that does the trick.

another thing I read on the Bf2 forums which did sounded a bit odd.
There was a guy trying to play BF2 on M9000 which I tought first wasen't possible, but after updating his video drivers AND his sound drivers he got it to work.
Yes sound drivers, sounds odd I know, but you might as well have look at it as well.

Quitas, interesting statement, but I don't think this has anything to do with LCD panel detection because the screen freezes at the EA logo (if I got it correct? )
Not really sure tough.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 20, 2006, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patje

another thing I read on the Bf2 forums which did sounded a bit odd.
There was a guy trying to play BF2 on M9000 which I tought first wasen't possible, but after updating his video drivers AND his sound drivers he got it to work.Yes sound drivers, sounds odd I know, but you might as well have look at it as well.

as memory serves The game requires DX9 "hardware support" so unless
they monkied with the game (a mod exists) to allow play on cards that are
not DX9 level hardware like a 4200 Ti or a radeon 9200 for example. but
then you will/would be punkbuster banned if you try to play online,
as you changeing dlls and so forth to try to force DirextX 8, its a certantly
will result in a PB ban. Wich can be really bad since then your pretty well
screwed with the new hardware ID system...

But the game won't run with out DX9 hardware support with out
moding the dlls...But I could be wrong

since it runs with the
8500 but the 8500 is a very diffrent beast toteing 2 texture units
with each pipe bings it close to 8 pipe performance...

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealness

Laptop Specs.

~Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2
~1GB of Ram
~128Mb ATI Mobility Radeon 9000/9100
~DirectX Version 9
~Intel Pentium IV 2.8Ghz
~60GB Hard Drive

The Drivers I've tried are as follows

~Radeon Omega Drivers 3.8.205 (Catalyst 6.1)
~ATI Catalyst 6.1 (CCC)
~The updated drivers from HP (My laptop is an HP Pavilion)
~Tried the ATI's with the DHmodtool and it installed fine, only thing it it went from being a 9000/9100 to a 9000
~But even at that it still will not work.

Anything else you need just ask

Thank You

Also: laptop arent really suited for gameing, thier made to
"use less power" and put out less heat wich mean "less
performance" so when it come to gameing a fast laptop is
like what you'd call a "slow" PC in regard to overall
gameing performance.

Radeon mobilty 9100
300 MHz 1800 MTexels/s 128-bits DDR 200 MHz 6.4 GB/s
Dirext X hardware support Level- DX 8.1
Vertex pipes 1
Vertex shader version 1.1
pixel / texture pipes 4 x 1?
Pixel shader version 1.4

Radeon mobilty 9000
250 MHz 1000 MTexels/s 128-bits DDR 220 MHz 7.04 GB/s
Dirext X hardware support Level- DX 8.1
Vertex pipes 1
Vertex shader version 1.1
pixel / texture pipes 4 x 1
Pixel shader version 1.4

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game quirements:
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NBA live 2006
Windows XP or 2000
1.0 GHz or faster processor
256 MB RAM
1.6 GB or more free hard-disk space
DirectX 9.0c-compatible video card with 32 MB or more memory and one of these chipsets required: ATI Radeon 7500 or greater; NVIDIA GeForce2 or greater
DirectX 9.0c-compatible sound card
Keyboard and mouse, supported dual-analog
16x or faster CD/DVD drive
Supported gamepads: Logitech Dual Action or Rumblepad 2; Wingman Cordless or Wingman Rumblepad; Thrustmaster Firestorm Dual Power 3, Firestorm Wireless, or Wireless Dual Trigger

need for speed MW
Pentium 4 1.4 GHz, 256MB RAM, graphic card 32MB
(GeForce 2 or better), 3 GB HDD.

sims 2:
Windows 98, 2000, ME, or XP
256MB of RAM
A graphics card on the supported graphics card list (preferably one with T&L support)
CPU: 800MHz Pentium 3 or equivalent (if you have a graphics card which supports T&L). Those who do not have a graphics card which supports T&L will need a 2.0GHz processor.

At least 3.5Gb of hard drive space.

Monitor Resolution: 800x600 minimum, 1024x768 recommended. Higher resolutions available.

Keyboard, mouse, speakers
Below is the current list of graphics cards supported by The Sims 2:

ATI RadeonTM series (7000 or better)
Radeon 7000/VE series (non-T&L; requires 2.0 GHz processor)
7200, 7500
8500, All-In-Wonder 8500
9000, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800
X300, X600, X800

Nvidia® QuadroTM series
Quadro, Quadro2, Quadro4

Nvidia® Geforce series (GeForce2 and better)
GeForce2
GeForce3, 3 Ti
GeForce4, 4Ti, MX 420, 440
GeForce FX 5200, 5600, 5700, 5800, 5900, 5950
GeForce 6600, 6800

Intel® Extreme Graphics (non-T&L; requires 2.0 GHz processor)
82845, 82865, 82915

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Though it appears you meet the games requirements, those are
"desktop specs" so I'd second gess what would be required for
a laptop. Though I think you should be able to play them... mabye thier
something we are missing?? Might try a reinstall of windows (as a last
resourt) and make sure you've got all your windows updates

patje · Jan 20, 2006, 09:04 AM

did I say something about changing Dll's?
I just adviced him to update his sound drivers aswell ??

the 9000 should still be able to play most of those games.
I'm reinstalling atm and gonna try BF2 demo on my mobility 9000 just for fun and science, well see what happens hehe

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 20, 2006, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patje

did I say something about changing Dll's?
I just adviced him to update his sound drivers aswell ??

the 9000 should still be able to play most of those games.
I'm reinstalling atm and gonna try BF2 demo on my mobility 9000 just for fun and science, well see what happens hehe

I know but the only way I've herd it required moding the game
I'd be suprised if it will run...

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From EA support website:
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Question
What are the system requirements for Battlefield 2?

Answer
Battlefield 2 has the following minimum requirements. If your computer does not meet these requirements, the game will not run properly if at all.

Windows XP (32 bit version) with Administrator rights.
1.7 GHz or faster processor.
512 MB or more RAM.
Supported 128 MB video card with the newest manufacturer drivers.
CD Version, 8x or faster CD/DVD drive.
DVD version, 8x or faster DVD drive.
2.3 GB free hard disk space plus space for the Windows swap file and save data.
If you would like to take advantage of the higher detail video settings Battlefield 2 offers, we recommend the following specifications.

2.4 GHz or faster processor.
1 GB or more RAM.
Supported 256 MB video card with the newest manufacturer drivers.
Supported Processors:

Intel Pentium 4, Xeon, Extreme Edition, Celeron D.
AMD Athlon XP, Athlon 64, Athlon 64-FX, Sempron.
Supported Video Cards:

ATI Radeon

X700 (PCIe), X600 (PCIe), X800 XT Platinum Edition, X800 PRO, X300 series.
9800 series, 9700 series, 9600 series, 9559 (RV350LX), 9500 series, 8500 series.

NVIDIA GeForce

6600 (PCIe), PCX 5900 (PCIe).
5800 series (AGP).
6800 Ultra, 6800 GT, 6800.
FX 5950 series, FX 5900 series, FX 5700 series.

(of couse this was written before X1K or 7800 series)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealness

and non of them seem to work thats over 120 dollars gone to waste so please if you have anything to help me out reply back

please define won't work? are they crashing? black screens?
error messages? could be crucial information to trying to figureing this out

patje · Jan 20, 2006, 09:25 AM

well after reading the specs, i lost all hope, but i'll tell you in this and about 10 minutes if it will work

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 20, 2006, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patje

well after reading the specs, i lost all hope, but i'll tell
you in this and about 10 minutes if it will work

okey dokey... I'd also be intested in @ what FPS
and if everything displays like it should, if it runs

**Vikingod** · Jan 20, 2006, 09:32 AM

Got a question for Realness... does the CD drive spin up when it loads? I had a very similar problwm on my lappy with Far Cry when it was released. First I updated my Firmware for the DVD-R and it worked fine. After that I got a no-CD crack at it ran even better. You may even look around to find out how to tweak the games to skip the cinematic intros, that might help as well. This is from TweakGuides for NFSMW...

Quote:

Skipping Intro Movies

If you want to speed up the loading of Need for Speed: Most Wanted each time you launch the game, try this tip. Go to your \Program Files\EA GAMES\Need for Speed Most Wanted\MOVIES directory, and rename the files attract_movie_english_ntsc.vp6, ealogo_english_ntsc.vp6 and psa_english_ntsc.vp6 to something else. For example, change their extensions to .REAL_vp6, but don't delete them. Now whenever you launch the game it should arrive at the main game menu much faster. Remember to rename these files back to their original names if you're installing a patch for the game.

Give that a shot and see what happens.

PS. Dont ask where to get CD-Cracks, as its against the forum rules.

patje · Jan 20, 2006, 09:36 AM

well i'm impressed, it bloody works.

so:
i have a windows 2000 setup
cat 6.1
Mobility radeon 9000 (32mb!)
Centrino 1.6
512mb ram

Not the best one out there but still.

So Bf runnning at 800x600
everyting on low or Off
View distance 75%
these are the default settings.
Just tried a the demo map, think it has 16 players max (all bots ofcourse)
fps varied between 20 and 40 but it did ran fluent.
Now i'm gonna try to see if it can handle more players.

and no AA = bloody blocky lol

TheRealness · Jan 20, 2006, 01:28 PM

to answer a few question i just stays at the EA screen, and i havnt tried updating the sound drivers maybe thats it.

I was looking for external video cards but they dont make them.

What I did find was external pci expansion slots that can connect threw PCMCIA, my only question is that to use a PCI video card wouldnt there be conflic only because things like that need to be in windows to function and you need to see things on your computer before you are even in windows. place i saw them were at

Code:

www.magma.com

i mean if I cant get this to work i might just try that.

ANy suggestions? but still number one priiority is to try and get the MObility Radeoin to work

Thanks alot guys and lets keep trying

TheRealness · Jan 20, 2006, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Got a question for Realness... does the CD drive spin up when it loads? I had a very similar problwm on my lappy with Far Cry when it was released. First I updated my Firmware for the DVD-R and it worked fine. After that I got a no-CD crack at it ran even better. You may even look around to find out how to tweak the games to skip the cinematic intros, that might help as well. This is from TweakGuides for NFSMW...

Quote:
Skipping Intro Movies

If you want to speed up the loading of Need for Speed: Most Wanted each time you launch the game, try this tip. Go to your \Program Files\EA GAMES\Need for Speed Most Wanted\MOVIES directory, and rename the files attract_movie_english_ntsc.vp6, ealogo_english_ntsc.vp6 and psa_english_ntsc.vp6 to something else. For example, change their extensions to .REAL_vp6, but don't delete them. Now whenever you launch the game it should arrive at the main game menu much faster. Remember to rename these files back to their original names if you're installing a patch for the game.

Give that a shot and see what happens.

PS. Dont ask where to get CD-Cracks, as its against the forum rules.

ive tried my cd drive and also my external dvd burner.

P.S. I know how to get CD-Cracks maybe i should try that

**Vikingod** · Jan 20, 2006, 01:53 PM

stay away from the expansion cards, that won't fix your problem, or run better than your current card. Laptops are tough, unless you get some of the new gaming ones, there isn't much to do in the line of video card upgrades.

Liquido · Jan 20, 2006, 03:10 PM

I just want to say that my laptop with mobility 9000(64mb) runs battlefield2 and n4speed most wanted without any problems. Actually suprisingly good. Not the best grapchics but smooth gameplay.

well no problem until I came up with the smart idea of updating my videocard driver. I had the omega driver of catalyst 4.11 and thought that maybe it was time for a upgrade. And installed the newest omega drivers and then no of my games worked. So I went back to the old one again. But that didn't work either. So now none of my games are working. Any suggestions???
is it better to use the modder than the omegadrivers?

Rest of my system is Pentium 4 3ghz, 512mb, XP.

TheRealness · Jan 20, 2006, 03:23 PM

is there a universal dock that has a PCI slot for this hp model...could that work? zv5000