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Mar 22, 2005, 09:40 AM
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Burned
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 29,649
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3dmark?
You know the drill, vote!
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Mar 22, 2005, 09:49 AM
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#2
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DH News MOD
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nottingham,UK
Posts: 32,543
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my vote: Waste of time, I dont need benchies ! they are only numbers at the end of testing...
my preference is what you see on screen and are pleased with the results in gameplay,then im happy at that.
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Mar 22, 2005, 10:03 AM
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: around
Posts: 792
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Useful, from time to time
I usually run them after changing the video driver, just to check that I didn't break anything, or smth. And I used 03's sound test yesterday to check the fps impact. I'm currently debating if it's worth to switch from SoundStorm to a SoundBlaster Live! 1024...
So yes, you can find some use to them.
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Mar 22, 2005, 10:05 AM
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#4
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: great yarmouth uk
Posts: 1,090
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i voted for i only benchmarks with games cuz they're much more precise.
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Mar 22, 2005, 10:10 AM
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#5
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Delete Me
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 14,676
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I bench with FRAPS in games.
I only use 3dmark to go "ha, look what I can do" simply because everyone else uses it.
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Mar 22, 2005, 10:30 AM
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#6
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banana muncher
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: London
Posts: 1,252
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i mostly use 3dMark to show my girlfriend pretty GFX
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nana
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Mar 22, 2005, 10:41 AM
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#7
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,501
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Useful from time to time... I've fixed a few probs thx to 3dmark03 
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Mar 22, 2005, 11:04 AM
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#8
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Uber Coffee Drinker
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Gatineau, Quebec
Posts: 2,254
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Not much use. Tried it a few times, takes too long to complete.
I much prefer benching with games.
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Mar 22, 2005, 11:13 AM
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Has a JOB..
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,473
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Useful from time to time, I get in that mood for benchmarking everyonce in a while and go download 'em again. Either that or testing a new video card  But I usually just use the Unreal benchmark in 2003.
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Mar 22, 2005, 12:07 PM
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#10
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 16,122
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by jasonbourne
i voted for i only benchmarks with games cuz they're much more precise.
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Actually their not their the most inaccurate, unfair, comparison tool available...
Only time you can trust game benchmarks is if their all the same bench being run. On the exact same system. To compare the same brand of card. Other wise you into duce variables which make it not anywhere as trustworthy as synthetics. Wich run the exact same on each card an setup...
their great if your wanted what you hardware, software, driver change has made on your system. But as a buying and comparison tool for graphics cards games just don't hold up. Especially when you look at it from the angle of drivers highly optimized for a game and games highly optimized for any given brand of card. With 0 policing! Least with 3dmark there some one to look for benchmark specific optimizations.
Games them self’s commonly run differently on different cards thus can’t be fairly compared. Unless your comparing the exact same flavor of card to it self. 9600XT to 9600XT, X800 to X800, 6X00 to 6X00…
Thats my 2 bits...
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Mar 22, 2005, 12:26 PM
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F.U.B.A.R.
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Southern California
Posts: 18,974
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I'm a 3Dmark benchmarking junkie  . I love to push my system to it's limits and then some  .
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Mar 22, 2005, 12:31 PM
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Semper ubi sub ubi
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 703
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lowest common denominator
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Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius
I bench with FRAPS in games.
I only use 3dmark to go "ha, look what I can do" simply because everyone else uses it.
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I think that's why they're useful ... they're the lowest common denominator, something everyone can use consistently and in the same way. They're not an end objective, just a measurement tool.
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Mar 22, 2005, 12:35 PM
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At Your Service...
Join Date: May 2002
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 3,657
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Games matter the most, but it is difficult to obtain precise repeatable results. In the end, the picking order of how all the cards stack up under 3DMark are, with one or two flip-flops, the same as they bench in games, so I said they are useful from time to time - especially when shopping for a new card sight unseen as one tool for comparison.
I like HardOCP's method of testing them in games at their "best" settings as another tool. You can see game differences in detail. I, of course, use DH's benchies as still another tool - the simple methodology makes them very repeatable and believable (but a home user would be hard put to spend the time wiping and loading the machine without ruining their application setups and so forth...). Plus, the graphs are so cooool...
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Mar 22, 2005, 12:46 PM
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Rest In Peace
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Danville Virginia.The United States of America"In the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob We Trust"
Posts: 2,012
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I like to "push it" also.But then I get all pissed off cause I cant push it a little farther.I'm tring like mad to get to 10,000 with my SLI system with 3DMARK05.Almost obsessed with it.....Not good.I think I'm gonna have to water cool the GFX cards before that will happen.
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Mar 22, 2005, 02:10 PM
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Avril Fan
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p
Posts: 1,252
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they help me sometimes, but generally benchmarking (even if it from games) is so unreliable, just when testing driver chnages is... useless, some games have performance gain, some have performance loss, and if i had to benchmark only with games would be unfair as some games gain some others dont, its impossible to determine just by those numbers, however i use them sometimes, also games for benchmark i use.
anyway after that nonsense, 3dmark games helpme sometimes
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Mar 22, 2005, 04:54 PM
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DH's Dormant Dragon
Join Date: May 2002
Location: IN Rem-Dormancy
Posts: 23,630
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imo, only good comparing system spec to system spec... being same.... to see if there is any apparent problems...
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Mar 22, 2005, 05:03 PM
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Demonic
Join Date: May 2002
Location: In the cold, dark north...
Posts: 5,098
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I voted " Useful from time to time"
But i rarely use them anymore, i use them mainly to see if my new overclock rendered any more performance...  And to check for artifacts when overclocking the videocard....
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Mar 22, 2005, 05:07 PM
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DriverHeaven Lover
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: FL
Posts: 103
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I usually run these benchmarks only when I change drivers to see if there are any problems. Helped me once when I went from 5000 pts down to 1000 after a driver change. Back then I didn't have any graphics intensive games, so I didn't notice anything different in those, but 3dMark proved there was something wrong.
Still, I'm not sure if keeping a couple of gigs of benchmarks for that kind of limited usage is worth it.
Oh, and voted useful from time to time
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Mar 22, 2005, 05:34 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,009
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like going both ways  with games and 3dmark that is, so "time to time" it was
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Mar 22, 2005, 05:38 PM
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Styleless Wonder
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Posts: 6,049
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I use them for stress testing purposes...
It's best to use a synthetic benchmark like 3DMark which can be run the same time over and over again to stress a system in between various driver changes. Like Shadow Lady said some games become broken and introduce artifacts which are not necessarily triggered by a system which has been stressed beyond its limits.
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Mar 22, 2005, 08:34 PM
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DriverHeaven Addict
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Plano, Texas
Posts: 383
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use them to push my 6800 :P
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Mar 22, 2005, 11:09 PM
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#22
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 408
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i dont use 3dmark to see if i can play a game. i play the game it self, as numbers mean nothing and they cant tell u if u can play a game or not. it only usefull when u testing out ur system overclock thats it.
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Mar 22, 2005, 11:43 PM
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im a FREAK
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,102
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after each driver install or bios hack for my card i use 3dmark03 build 360.i dont care about the rest,2001 is outdated and 2005 is like watching a slideshow on my card.
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Mar 23, 2005, 12:20 AM
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Simian Masterpiece!
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London, Ont. Canada
Posts: 299
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by MIG-31
my vote: Waste of time, I dont need benchies ! they are only numbers at the end of testing...
my preference is what you see on screen and are pleased with the results in gameplay,then im happy at that.
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I agree completely. 
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Mar 23, 2005, 01:53 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Sweden
Posts: 4,116
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They are useful from time to time.
I like checking the drivers from time to time and that my score keeps in the same range.
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Mar 23, 2005, 04:00 AM
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DriverHeaven Addict
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Hot as hell in summer
Posts: 285
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They are probably a waste of time, but they do have their uses. How else to get an idea how your system compares to other peoples? Or in the case below my own!
Funny I should see this post I only just bench marked my system the other day, I was curious to see how my newish AMD64 1.8GHz with A8V Deluxe and Powercolor 9800Pro compared to my old Intel 3.0GHz with P4P800 Deluxe and same video card. It turns out that the AMD does do a little better than the Intel system in these benches.
Also the benches seem pretty close to real world system performance with the AMD feeling a bit snappier
3D 01SE 18761, 3D 03 6738, 3D 05 2472
Last edited by Sonata; Mar 24, 2005 at 03:05 PM.
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Mar 23, 2005, 04:15 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Infinity
Posts: 3,682
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Originally Posted by MIG-31
my vote: Waste of time, I dont need benchies ! they are only numbers at the end of testing...
my preference is what you see on screen and are pleased with the results in gameplay,then im happy at that.
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couldnt have said it better
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