gun control is good!

Ryoko · Oct 30, 2002, 02:38 PM

saw this over at rage3d, and thought it was a good representation of reality.

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Originally posted by SquireSCA
While this is meant to be sarcastic, actually read and think about each of these items, as they do contain alot of truth, just presented in a sarcastic manner to be humourous...

40 Reasons For Gun Control

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

kinetic · Oct 30, 2002, 03:06 PM

I don't have an opinion on gun ownership in the U.S as I don't live there but coincidentally some stats were released in the tabloids over here today.

200 million guns are in the hands of US citizens.

That's a bigger arsenal than all the world's armies.

One million guns are in the hands of students, some of whom take the guns to school or college every day.

One American child dies every day from gunshot wounds. They are 12 times more likely to die from gunshot wounds than in any other civilised country

On average there are 38 'rampage killings' every year, incidents where individuals run amok shooting at anyone and anything.

The cost to the American Taxpayer in medical care, disability and actual death is a breathtaking $150billion.

The problem is that the individuals reaction to spiralling crime is to buy a gun. The real answer would be to rid society of the gun altogether but that is never going to happen and, I must admit that If I lived in such a culture, I would probably own one myself.

***Zardon*** · Oct 30, 2002, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by kinetic
I don't have an opinion on gun ownership in the U.S as I don't live there but coincidentally some stats were released in the tabloids over here today.

200 million guns are in the hands of US citizens.

That's a bigger arsenal than all the world's armies.

One million guns are in the hands of students, some of whom take the guns to school or college every day.

One American child dies every day from gunshot wounds. They are 12 times more likely to die from gunshot wounds than in any other civilised country

On average there are 38 'rampage killings' every year, incidents where individuals run amok shooting at anyone and anything.

The cost to the American Taxpayer in medical care, disability and actual death is a breathtaking $150billion.

The problem is that the individuals reaction to spiralling crime is to buy a gun. The real answer would be to rid society of the gun altogether but that is never going to happen and, I must admit that If I lived in such a culture, I would probably own one myself.

all I say to that is HOLY SHIT !!!!

JavaFox · Oct 30, 2002, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by kinetic
The problem is that the individuals reaction to spiralling crime is to buy a gun. The real answer would be to rid society of the gun altogether but that is never going to happen...

Men are hateful. Men will kill other men, regardless of what they have to use to do it. Rid the world of guns, and people will kill each other with spears. Or bombs. Or knives. Or their fists. The thing is, people blame guns for violence when guns are only a tool of expressing violence. They do not cause violence.

~~Kagato~~ · Oct 30, 2002, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Ryoko
saw this over at rage3d, and thought it was a good representation of reality.

Of course you had to copy and paste, seeing as how you lack the intellectual capability of bearing knowledgeof this sort.

~~Kagato~~ · Oct 30, 2002, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Men are hateful. Men will kill other men, regardless of what they have to use to do it. Rid the world of guns, and people will kill each other with spears. Or bombs. Or knives. Or their fists. The thing is, people blame guns for violence when guns are only a tool of expressing violence. They do not cause violence.

In a sentance; guns do not kill people, I do.

Highwood · Oct 30, 2002, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kinetic
I don't have an opinion on gun ownership in the U.S as I don't live there but coincidentally some stats were released in the tabloids over here today.

200 million guns are in the hands of US citizens.

That's a bigger arsenal than all the world's armies.

One million guns are in the hands of students, some of whom take the guns to school or college every day.

One American child dies every day from gunshot wounds. They are 12 times more likely to die from gunshot wounds than in any other civilised country

On average there are 38 'rampage killings' every year, incidents where individuals run amok shooting at anyone and anything.

The cost to the American Taxpayer in medical care, disability and actual death is a breathtaking $150billion.

The problem is that the individuals reaction to spiralling crime is to buy a gun. The real answer would be to rid society of the gun altogether but that is never going to happen and, I must admit that If I lived in such a culture, I would probably own one myself.

I f this is your justification for banning guns, I guess you would like to see motor vehicles banned too, after all they kill and injure way more people than firearms do, and cost society much more in medical care and disability than fire arms do.
There are several accidents a year involving either several vehicles, or mass transportation vehicles, which kill and maim several people at once.

Reducing poverty and sane drug laws would save one hell of a lot more people than any firearm law ever will.

In other words treat the root cause of the problem.

SPANKtheMONKEY · Oct 30, 2002, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Highwood
I f this is your justification for banning guns, I guess you would like to see motor vehicles banned too, after all they kill and injure way more people than firearms do, and cost society much more in medical care and disability than fire arms do.
There are several accidents a year involving either several vehicles, or mass transportation vehicles, which kill and maim several people at once.

Reducing poverty and sane drug laws would save one hell of a lot more people than any firearm law ever will.

In other words treat the root cause of the problem.

Ur comparing apples to oranges.

Cars r meant 2 be driven. Guns are mean't 2 be fired.
Running somone over in a car is an accident.
Pulling the trigger isn't.

Highwood · Oct 30, 2002, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by SPANKtheMONKEY
Ur comparing apples to oranges.

Cars r meant 2 be driven. Guns are mean't 2 be fired.
Running somone over in a car is an accident.
Pulling the trigger isn't.

The result is the same dead is dead.
Vehicles are intentionally used as deadly weapons quite often.

reno · Oct 30, 2002, 10:49 PM

Guns are great, except they have one flaw...missing dumbasses like Spankthemonkey in the whole natural selection process.

Shaith · Oct 31, 2002, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by Kagato
In a sentance; guns do not kill people, I do.

Guns don't kill people. They hurt like a bitch and bruise pretty badly, but generally speaking that's it.

Bullets are an entirely different story.

So remember kids: Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.

Now go outside and run with scissors.

Kelsenellenelvian · Oct 31, 2002, 01:01 AM

Now THAT is f*cking hilarius Shaith. If there was a quote of the day that should be it...

Sure sell all the damn guns that you want just stop selling bullets...

The hell with it I'll make a quote of the day section.

merry · Oct 31, 2002, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Men are hateful. Men will kill other men, regardless of what they have to use to do it. Rid the world of guns, and people will kill each other with spears. Or bombs. Or knives. Or their fists. The thing is, people blame guns for violence when guns are only a tool of expressing violence. They do not cause violence.

Wow! You're a woman!

Smoothdrive · Oct 31, 2002, 07:53 AM

Guns are made for violence..why buy a gun if you're not gonna use it..problem is that killing with a gun can be done in a split second refelex..without the gun killing is much harder..use of a knife will mean getting into a struggle thus is not done as easily as using a gun.

Gun control will not stop killing, it will make killing harder and less easily done..

Criminals will however always have acces to guns..you won't stop them..you will stop the irrational angry reflex killers and the small time muggers who won't have a gun.

Alistair · Oct 31, 2002, 08:30 AM

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
use of a knife will mean getting into a struggle thus is not done as easily as using a gun.

So I take it you have 360 degree vision you can see that guy walking behind you with a knife out and ready to slit your throat from behind.

WarGun · Oct 31, 2002, 11:57 AM

Here in canada hand guns,assault rifles, are banded (i think). Also long guns needed to be registered, but i think they should have left these out (Hunting rifles).
Why? because thier a lot harder to commit crimes with. and not so easy to take to school.

Either way if a guy wants to kill with a gun thiers always the black market

The right to bare arms is somthing we dont have here in canada
and that sucks

They say its for our own safety $$$$, seat belt law was the same thing $$$$

They dont fool me

kinetic · Oct 31, 2002, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Highwood
I f this is your justification for banning guns, I guess you would like to see motor vehicles banned too

You're right, cars are doubly dangerous, especially the ones with a gun in the glove compartment!

JavaFox · Oct 31, 2002, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by WarGun
Here in canada hand guns,assault rifles, are banded (i think). Also long guns needed to be registered, but i think they should have left these out (Hunting rifles).
Why? because thier a lot harder to commit crimes with. and not so easy to take to school.

The right to bare arms is somthing we dont have here in canada
and that sucks

They say its for our own safety $$$$, seat belt law was the same thing $$$$

They dont fool me

Actually, Canadians own 7,000,000 guns. Which, all other things being equal, would mean that 2/3 of Canadian households have at least one gun.

Ryoko · Oct 31, 2002, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Actually, Canadians own 7,000,000 guns. Which, all other things being equal, would mean that 2/3 of Canadian households have at least one gun.

americans own more than 300,000,000 guns. all other things being equal, that means that each person has at least one gun. now, if everyone actually had one gun, instead of the criminals having 5 or more on avg, things would be safer. (200 mil legal, 100 mil illegal)

JavaFox · Oct 31, 2002, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Ryoko
americans own more than 300,000,000 guns. all other things being equal, that means that each person has at least one gun. now, if everyone actually had one gun, instead of the criminals having 5 or more on avg, things would be safer. (200 mil legal, 100 mil illegal)

I wasn't disagreeing with that.

Ryoko · Oct 31, 2002, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
I wasn't disagreeing with that.

yeah well i wasn't disagreeing with you, i was just adding more stats

take that!

~~Kagato~~ · Oct 31, 2002, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Shaith
Guns don't kill people. They hurt like a bitch and bruise pretty badly, but generally speaking that's it.

Bullets are an entirely different story.

So remember kids: Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.

Now go outside and run with scissors.

Bullets do not kill people. If I handed you a case of ammunition, would you spontaneously combust? The only way a person will die from a bullet is if the person holding the gun has the initiative to load, caulk, aim, and fire that weapon for the purpose of killing.