Did NASA make it to the moon?

craig5320

Hi,

I've just been watching a documentary on Whether the moon landing was a hoax or not.
And it raised some very interesting issues, I'd never really thought about it, never questioned it before now, but some of the evidence shown, brings a lot of questions about the whole thing,

I don't want to cause offence to any patriotic Americans or anything I'm jus' curious what you people think about it?

Craig

PUDAK

Ummm, I can't believe that people refute the lunar landing. What reasons did they give to back up their claims?

The fact is, we've gathered literally tons of lunar rocks for study, also, do you even know how far-reaching this conspiracy would have to go? I have relatives who worked closely with the Apollo program, once of which worked at NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, and now teaches at Cornell, and they will tell you it would be utterly pointless to build up the capability to land on the moon, then not do it.

Just ask yourself, why would NASA build all of the necessary components, conduct fly-by's to study the surface and take detailed topographic photographs, train dozens of astronauts, and launch shuttles into space, and not actually land on the moon?!?! The fact remains that we know that NASA had the technology and launched the proper space components into space, hell, they even have detailed records of the exact flight plan and landing areas that they recorded. Please don't let a few idiotic conspiracy theorists dissuade you from the clear facts of the matter.

Dom

A funny thing happened on the way to the moon.

Starscream

Some of the evidence pointing to the faking of the moon landing is to say the least compelling. For instance the cross hatches that were supposed to be on the lense of the camera in one picture actually appear behind one of the astronauts. Another thing that's really strange is video of the two sites that are supposed to be very far away (one near the landing site the other away from it), when these videos are superimposed everything in the two locations matches is identical, right down to the rocks and pebbles. I know I haven't been all that specific but it's been a while since I've looked at any of this stuff and if I recalled more specifics I'd post them.

That Funny Thing video is supposed be extremely interesting as well. The guy who made that video had a special on fox last year that was pretty good stuff. Basically a "lite" version of the Funny Thing documentary.

Oh and I've always liked that video of the us flag blowing in the wind on the moon.

Sourcer_2002

dude seriously how the hell would NASA and the goverment cover up this up? They had what over 30,000 ( i dont know just number to throw out there) workers that did somtin on this flight be it research or manfacuring what ever how the hell could they not have had come out and said somthin be now? Also how would are space program been this far now if not for the research done for the t Moon mission>

Layden

I saw the documentary too, and although I still believe man went to the moon, some of the issues raised were pretty interesting. But I also find the notion that the US would even remotely consider trying to fool the entire world absolutely ridiculous. If NASA has such top brains then surely they would not have made these supposed errors.

Ryo-Ohki

I also did come across several photographs of the first Apollo landing, all highlighting several "wrong" details in the picture which could prove the document was indeed a fake one. I also remember the site configuration issue as pointed out by starscream.

Now I don't believe the whole trip to the moon is a hoax... But I suppose some data could have been hidden from the public eye and replaced by "convincing fakes", for whatever strategical reason.

fornicatarachnid

I watched this documentary with interest and there were a few reasons given that the the whole thing was an elaborate hoax and that the "landing" make actually have taken place in a studio at Area 51.

The first and most obvious thing in my view was the video of the flag that was planted on the moon, it was actually waving in the wind ! Now everybody knows that there is no wind on the moon, don't they ???

The second piece of evidence was a video clip of the Lunar L.E.M. taken just a short while before the actual landing and it showed the L.E.M proving extremely difficult to control, even the slightest movement inside would upset the balance of the thing and send it crashing to the ground, which in this particular clip, it did. Yet they successfully managed to land it six times while on the moon.

Another talking point was the absence of a blast crater where the L.E.M had come to rest on the surface of the moon. Also pictures of the footprints showed the surface to be extremely dusty, yet pictures of the legs of the L.E.M showed no traces of dust which would have been blown about and then settled again after the landing.

While I wasn't convinced by this documentary that the landing didn't take place, the evidence to support a hoax is impressive to say the least !

fornicatarachnid

The documentary never disputed that the actual flight took place, they were only disputing the landing on the moon

fornicatarachnid

..........unless landing on the moon first gave America a huge boost in the cold war against the Soviets

Smoothdrive

Well it wouldn't suprise me if the whole thing is a joke..ever wondered why they're building a space station if they would be able to build a station on the moon ?? ( the moon has a floor and some gravitation already so you can save a lot of costs by building on that) Also why they never go back to the moon the last decade or so ?? why isn't the space shuttle equipped for a moon landing ? why not build a runway on the moon so the space shuttle can land on it ? How come the americans never planted a long time research device in space (like the MIR) I think the Russians have far more knowledge of space than the americans do..they have been up there constantly for the last 20-30 years in their space stations. Yet the Russians never even attempted a moon landing..

Or they never reached the moon
Or they found something on it which no-one is supposed to know about..thus the fake pictures and cover-up.

I like these riddles..same as the roswell riddle..it would easily explain why suddenly we got such an acceleration in technology (from colour tv through microwave through sattelites through computers through....) wouldn't suprise me if even they found some alien shit which gave them ideas for the technologies now common.

Layden

Some of the arguments contradict each other though. I admit the fluttering flag is dodgy (and I'd like NASA to actually explain that one), but the LEM would have been a lot easier to handle on the moon as there is no atmosphere and gravity is much less. The cynics in the TV programme conveniently forgot to mention that.

craig5320

The flag was explained my nasa saying firstly the flag (on the moon / area 51 ) has a horizontal pole which it actually hangs from as there is no air of course, the fluttering was due to the aluminium pole being twisted to get it into the moons surface those causing the flag to shake and even once it was let go the pole continued to vibrate giving a waving effect.

other flaws and there explanations can be found here:

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/

Tho the creator of the site seem's to side with NASA and seem's a bit bias in places.

C

Smoothdrive

Well. the only truth i can conclude is that if we don't know the truth now we never will know it for sure

Why is it that there's always these things in the US..Roswell, Kennedy, Moon landings..is there anything the US government does not lie about or hide from us ??

craig5320

Well 2003 will see Japan launch a unmanned satellite that is going to take close up pictures of the moon surface and will hopefully show the lunar landing site. How much would Japan take as a bribe? hmm..

Layden

That was a pretty interesting site!

fornicatarachnid

mmm...this site seems to cover all of the points that were brought up in the documentary. Like I said in my previous post though, I have always believed that they did actually land on the moon, it's just that the program got me thinking about whether it could have been a hoax.

Greebo_x

...then you'll enjoy the movie "Capricorn One".

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...s=dvd&n=507846

Oh, yeah- the movie also makes O.J. Simpson a hero...

craig5320

Yeah that's the hoax mars landing film I like that, I too believe they did land on the moon but maybe it wasn't as successful I they led us to beileve, perhaps one dodgy landing by the LM and very little footage/images so they fixed up a whole batch of stuff in case of... etc. possible.

PUDAK

For all of you who found that "Lunar Hoax" fox video compelling, here's a site that pokes many holes in their arguements. http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html


Do you know how many people now possess moon rocks, which have a very different composition than terrestrial rocks? NASA collected literally tons of them for scientific study, and for souvenirs. I mean, this was no secret government project, this was a scientific/engineering endeavor that involved thousands of personnel, not all employed by NASA.

PUDAK

BTW, just to provide some more useful information, here's a list of some of the important discoveries that were made during our real explorations of the lunar surface: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/lunar10.htm

Ryoko

i voted who cares, because there is no real reason to be on the moon. it has no real resources or advantages that aren't dwarfed by that of Mars.

UberLord

It has tremendous tactical advantages.

For example we could build a giant laser on it and call it a "Death Star"

It could happen..........

Ryoko