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Feb 18, 2008, 04:20 AM
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Administrator
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Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD
It seems that the format "war" is pretty much over and Blu-Ray has been victorious. Did the right format win?
Discuss...
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Feb 18, 2008, 04:33 AM
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4870X2 Anyone??
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: New York
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HD-DVD was dead when it came out.
It offered nothing over Blu-ray, and despite early reviews Blu ray had about not supporting various codecs, the support was later added. And PS3 played a big role in killing HD-DVD even if you dont want to admit it, it put more players in the publics eye, and although it was a gamble for Sony, it paid off.
Glad I didnt buy a dual format combo drive 
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Feb 18, 2008, 05:06 AM
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DriverHeaven Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
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I'm sad that HD-DVD didn't win. It was far less expensive to buy both players and movies, yet still offered HD quality.
Sayonara HD-DVD, enjoy cuddling with beta and laserdisc.
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Feb 18, 2008, 09:38 AM
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DriverHeaven Lover
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
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I don't think downloadable content will replace optical media anytime soon except for rental purposes. With the amount of drive space required for a 1080p HD movie it just isn't practical. And what about special features? How are they going to incorporate that? If digital download does take off for actually purchasing films it won't be for another 5-10 years.
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Feb 18, 2008, 03:18 PM
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In Fedor We Trust
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Ottawa , Canada
Posts: 3,851
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LOL@Downloadable content...many ISP's have monthly caps the size of just one Blu-ray movie  Do people have any idea how much bandwidth would be required to download movies at an acceptable speed? Unless you're fine waiting a few days for a download to finish it isn't practical.
I like Blu-Ray, it sounds cooler and it has more storage space which means higher bitrate and quality. Other than that I'm just glad the war is over.
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Feb 18, 2008, 03:29 PM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Ohio
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I need not bother say anything.
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Feb 18, 2008, 10:07 PM
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DriverHeaven Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 20
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Just to use blu-ray in my system I have to upgrade to core 2 duo 3.0+ GHz :/.
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Feb 18, 2008, 10:22 PM
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Mars
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,927
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MooN*FiRE
Just to use blu-ray in my system I have to upgrade to core 2 duo 3.0+ GHz :/.
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Or a video card with proper acceleration. With my 2.8 GHz Athlon 64/8800 GTS G92, I can play Blu-ray discs with about 15% cpu usage.
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Feb 18, 2008, 11:11 PM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Location: norcal
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while i went with bd cause i thought it was obviously(to me) going to come out on top, i a mglad its over & would have been almost as happy had hd -dvd won. just wanted one of them to win - sooner than later.
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Feb 19, 2008, 01:04 AM
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F.U.B.A.R.
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Southern California
Posts: 19,018
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i will vote when the option of "who cares who won, i'm just glad it's over" option is made available  .
now that it's clear that BR won, when i get the chance, i will go out and buy me a standalone BR player....yes, a standalone, not a ps3.
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Feb 19, 2008, 02:01 AM
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DH's Dormant Dragon
Join Date: May 2002
Location: IN Rem-Dormancy
Posts: 23,663
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why?
get the LG drive.... it's cheaper then a stand alone BR player... ontop of that.... you can watch any HD-DVD movies that may come on special..... brilliant peice of technology that i'm glad someone had the balls to produce finally.....
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Feb 19, 2008, 03:17 AM
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DriverHeaven Junior Member
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Albuquerque NM
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I was in favor of HD-DVD, primarily because I have a grudge against Sony.
But for the time being I'm more than happy with regular old DVDs and an upscaling DVD player. I can rent movies for $1 a night. And I can continue to use XP (not even interested in a stand alone) Though I do have an upscaling player in the living room it's connected to a 720p TV. My computer on the other hand has a 24" display that is native 1920x1200.
Maybe by the time 5 1/4" Blu-Ray drives are down to around $200 the format will be closer to a "solid standard". As it stands any of you that wants to buy a Stand Alone Blu-Ray player is wasting their money. None of the current players, besides the PS3, is compatible with the 2.0 standard. And just a flash upgrade won't hack it! You're going to have to buy a new unit.
I'm not buying into Blu-Ray any time soon. 1. I don't really trust Sony. 2. Blu-Ray is too expensive for my tastes. 3. DVD is ubiquitous atm, so I don't see Blu-Ray replacing it. 4. I would prefer to download an "HD rental" that way I don't have the expense of running to the store. Xbox Live does this just fine.
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Feb 19, 2008, 08:16 AM
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Hopeless Dreamer
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Dreamland, near the pool of infinite graphics cards
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn
i will vote when the option of "who cares who won, i'm just glad it's over" option is made available  .
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Yes, me too.
I also admire Sony for its well laid plan. PS3 helped Blu-ray win, which in turn will help the PS3.
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Feb 19, 2008, 08:49 AM
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Demonic
Join Date: May 2002
Location: In the cold, dark north...
Posts: 5,098
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn
i will vote when the option of "who cares who won, i'm just glad it's over" option is made available  .
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There, anything to please you Cd's..
No seriously I find it to be a valid point, so the option is added...
Last edited by Asmoday; Feb 19, 2008 at 09:58 AM.
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Feb 19, 2008, 09:30 AM
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DH's Dormant Dragon
Join Date: May 2002
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can i get a vote reset then?
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Feb 19, 2008, 10:04 AM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Boston, USA
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I can't say I really cared who would win but since all I can play is DB (ps3) I'm kinda glad it came out on top 
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Feb 19, 2008, 10:43 AM
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DH's Dormant Dragon
Join Date: May 2002
Location: IN Rem-Dormancy
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did hd-dvd suddenly break..
now i can't play my HD-DVD using the same version of PowerDVD that i've been using all the time.... on the same movies..... full screen @ 2560x1600.... when i enter full screen it just goes to the 1920x1080 within a massive black bordered area.... wtf
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Feb 19, 2008, 02:31 PM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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Location: norcal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ET3D
Yes, me too.
I also admire Sony for its well laid plan. PS3 helped Blu-ray win, which in turn will help the PS3.
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while im not a big fan of sony, you do got to give them kudos for that.
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Feb 19, 2008, 05:28 PM
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DriverHeaven Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
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The main reason I wanted blu-ray to win is cause it seemed at the time you could put more on them. 25 GB's a/side is alot of space for backup. Instead of those 4.7 GB disc for saving info etc you have a 25 Gig disc to play with. The only bad thing about blu-ray and hdddvd in the first place is the slow burn speed. 4-6x isn't good at all. Now that there is one champ maybe leaps and bounds in burning speed will get better, 18x burning would be nice.
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Feb 19, 2008, 05:38 PM
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Epic Phail at Lief
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Quite frankly i don't really care about "High Definition" because it offers nothing appealing to me as a consumer. If i want "High Definition" i'll fire up CoD4 with max settings :/
The massive premium you have to pay to get the extra content doesn't seem justified to me and as such i don't think it's worth it.
But that's just my opinion.
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Feb 19, 2008, 06:17 PM
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DriverHeaven Extreme Member
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mousey what does watching hd movies have to do with gaming? hd isnt about extra content, it is about getting better visual & sound quality, period.
while i understand hd has no importance to lots of people, if you are going to have a negative(or pos) opinion about it at least make sure that your opinion has relevance to the subject.
not picking on you only mousey, just seen quite a few peeps around here express opinions on hd based on things that have little to no bearing on hd itself.
bty, i have little to no use for 'extra content' either. the little i have seen is pretty much what you get on the dvd releases. i believe this is changing tho. i think anybody that puts a premium on extra content should maybe get a life.  jmo.
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Feb 19, 2008, 06:20 PM
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Burned
Join Date: May 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mousey
Quite frankly i don't really care about "High Definition" because it offers nothing appealing to me as a consumer. If i want "High Definition" i'll fire up CoD4 with max settings :/
The massive premium you have to pay to get the extra content doesn't seem justified to me and as such i don't think it's worth it.
But that's just my opinion.
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Have you ever seen a bluray or HDDVD at 1080p running on a 52 inch screen? I think you might change your mind. Although I don't even think your statement really makes sense. I think you are confusing Anti Aliasing and Filtering with screen/movie resolution (1920x1080px for 1080p) etc.
I couldn't even watch a DVD now the quality is so rubbish. Funny thing is even when I was buying DVD's I always thought they were pretty rubbish, I was waiting for HD for a long long time.
I have always been very discerning regarding quality however, guess thats why I started Driver Heaven so I could explore the inner geek.......
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Feb 19, 2008, 06:22 PM
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DriverHeaven Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2002
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I would say downloaded content if you just want the movie or whatever content, but if you the extras or just to own a physical copy then I would say Blu-ray will be the way to go. Hopefully when they do release to blu-ray, they put extras that make it worth while than just junk and also they give the consumer an option go interactive or just plain menu.
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Feb 19, 2008, 07:16 PM
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Mars
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,927
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zardon
I couldn't even watch a DVD now the quality is so rubbish. Funny thing is even when I was buying DVD's I always thought they were pretty rubbish, I was waiting for HD for a long long time.
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Heh, I get flak from a lot of my friends for holding a similar opinion. Some content doesn't gain much in the HD transition, but a lot of movies are begging for the increased resolution and decreased compression.
I just watched an HD-DVD copy of A Scanner Darkly, great movie, and beautiful in 1080p.
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Originally Posted by TenKen
I would say downloaded content if you just want the movie or whatever content, but if you the extras or just to own a physical copy then I would say Blu-ray will be the way to go. Hopefully when they do release to blu-ray, they put extras that make it worth while than just junk and also they give the consumer an option go interactive or just plain menu.
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Like OmegaRED said, full HD content is too large for feasible large-scale download services. You need about a 30mbit connection (and actual download rates to match) for full quality Blu-ray streaming to become realistic. Current premium HD movies offered via download are actually smaller in size than regular DVD movies.
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Feb 19, 2008, 08:04 PM
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