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Originally Posted by OmegaRED
Atheism is no more of a belief or faith than being bald is a hair color. 
Faith and religion are nothing but lies and superstition sugarcoated to ease the fears of the unknown, since we no longer live in the dark ages we can toss them aside in favor of more reasonable solutions. |
I had to call your atheism belief something and maybe my choice of the word faith was not optimal but excuse my limited english vocabulary
Yeah we're no longer in the Dark Ages but the more reasonable solutions you say don't give convincing answers either: take for example the creation of Universe, atheists say it's by chance but the problem is that it's not a single chance hit but rather a succession of very precise phenomenals.
I don't remember who said that the probability that the creation of Univers came by chance is like the probability that you put all the pieces used for the making of a Boeing 747 plane in a field then a tornado pass on that field and take all the pieces and give in the end an intact well manufactured Boeing 747
The most obvious example again is the soul: with all the scientifical advances, they still don't know what soul is. What is soul? Why even if we keep the organs working people die? Why every living thing have to die in a precise cycle?
Every scientist know that if you leave everything to chance you will never get anywhere. How can something comming fully by chance have so much precise rules and guidelines, so much creatures obeying very strict rules sometimes the optimal (bees, ants...)???
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Originally Posted by cozumel
I just had to enter the fray as this appears to have developed into a debate between those who may have read the Quran and those who have not.
The Quran, like the Torah and the Christian bible contain a number of very positive morals and principals that all of mankind should follow. Now the fact that some politicians and others chose to corrupt the words contained in the Quran does not make Islam bad. There is no such thing as an evil muslim. But there are evil people.
The newpapers and media in most western countries (and many politicians) routinely lie about what is written within the Quran as it sells their products. The only way to find the truth is to read all of the Quran yourself. I have read many fundamentalist magazines that a daughter of a friend kept before they left for Afghanistan in the late 1990s. The fundamentalist magazines leave me with the same disgust as many European and US newspapers. They are based on lies and distortions of the truth.
I do not follow any religion but have read (and own) a Quran and the Old Testament. I can't be bothered to read the new testament as it will probably just contain the same morals though I realise that this may be ignorant of me.
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Thanks a lot Mr. cozumel, that's exactly the point: you don't have to be Jew, Christian or Muslim to be good as it's a personal choice and all the result can only be seen after death. On the other hand you don't have to take a position on a religion just by reading some newspaper & books or watching tv.