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Originally Posted by Maddogg6
well - I dont have too much interest in debating the differences and similarities of different religions, especially when points you make tend to not be clear and direct...
But it does bring up another strong argument against *all* religions I am at least familiar with...
Its too much of a coincidence and contradiction that the jewish book of scriptures was written by god in their native tongue - and so was the quran...
So - why has not god plopped his words down in america, in *our* native tongue (english)?
The most obvious answer is that they were written by man/men in their own language.
I mean - an all knowing entity would surely foresee doubts raised because of the translations. (not to mention, interpretations)
The same god wrote in hebrew for jews - then in aribic for muslims- ???
Sure seems like the guy writing the quran wrote passages that would appeal to jews and christians, knowing converting is almost impossible as it is - as demonstrated here in these forums. And to have 'similarities' would certainly make conversion easier.
Isnt the muslims on a quest to convert the world to islam? (as was judaism and chritianity)
All this argument of semantics in scripture detracts from these very significant and basic facts that are more difficult to argue - when passages of scripture can be argued till the end of time over their translation, much less their interpretations... (which, god would surely have forseen)
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an argument that the bible is authentic is..
Well - how many people have been given the opportunity to inspect these anchient writings - who were *not* already beleivers?
How do *I* go about requesting such opportunity?
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more edit - look at shakespere - pretty old and intricate writing - so - I dont accept that argument as 'proof' of anything, when - to find those who can emulate styles of writing is not that hard. Especially if there is motivation to do so.
What motivation you may ask....
Well - to write something and claim it to be the word of god that potentially millions would read, and live their lives by - is very powerful. And we know many people lust for power since caveman dave bonked cave man joe over the head to steal his woman and food. |
The words in the books are from God: when you say God can't write in 2 or 3 languages how come a Human can learn more than that
The interpreters of the words of God are humans and God can't be blamed if they interprete it the wrong way as God gave warnings in His books not to do that
The proof of the authenticity of Quran is not just in it's style: like I said before there's more than 6000 verses in which more than a 1000 speak of science
Keep in mind that these scientific facts were revealed about 1400 years ago when there were a lot of scientific misconceptions and errors
* a concept of the creation of the world which, while different from the ideas contained in the Bible, is fully in keeping with today's general theories on the formations of the universe;
* statements that are in perfect agreement with today's ideas concerning the movements and evolution of the heavenly bodies;
* a prediction of the conquest of space;
* notions concerning the water cycle in nature and the earth's relief, which were not proven correct until many centuries later.
I'l give one example:
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?
We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
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Originally Posted by Maddogg6
1) Those passages - dont really seem to extinguish my assertion that you contradicted yourself.
2) Which translation are you going by?
Re as found in your link - and what I believe Omega referred to as 'versions' of the quran
I am the same - a different translation = a different version.
3) How could extremists muslims *possibly* interpret... 'Kill infidels and receive XXX virgins in heaven after I read this..
ps I used sarcasm before - this clearly, to me, would incite violence.
As I interpret - its ok to annihilate non-believers....
Please tell my why I should continue reading the quran?
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2) I bring my tranlations from
here it's not the best tranlation but it's the easiest (yeah I'm lazy)
ok if you refer to translations as versions then you're right but the one and only source is the original arabic Quran
its somehow logical because 2 translators can't translate the same text the same way and especially Quran where you find verses that have very deep meanings that have to choose what to say because it's translating the meaning not the text.
3) there's no 'Kill infidels and receive XXX virgins in heaven...' in Quran, and to tell you the truth I knew that from a french on man show just like you so I guess it's some extremist propaganda.
You have to understand that extremists don't give a f*** about Quran or Islam, they just use it to get to power. What they want is to receive XXX virgins on earth and not in heaven. The executors are brainwashed by the rulers.
Please tell my why I should continue reading the quran? 
then stop reading
it's up to you to interprete it literally but it's not working like that
Quran didn't came in one time book, it was coming verse by verse in a 20 years period and a lot of verses came to give signs (sign is the real translation to "âya" verse) to believers -> they're related to a special time/event
Like for example the verses of jihad are all from the period when they were preparing to fight Quraysh and Khaybar, imagine less than 2000 men winning battle against more than 10000
Islam is the religion of PEACE just like Cristianity & Judaism before it. Mohamed PBUH is the most influencial man in history. No one in the history of mankind waited till the age of 40 and then started.
You shouldn't continue reading Quran if you're going to interprete each verse on its own be sure it's just what it's said not to do
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Baqarah [3:7] He sent down to you this scripture, containing
straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as
multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.