"God Hates America"

CDsDontBurn

I had seen this in the news a few times before, but right now, i'm watching a documentary on this on the Discovery Times Channel about the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC). These guys are nothing but a cult. Oh, what irony it would be if all these people all went to hell and everybody else went to heaven.

EDIT:
i just learned, that they were sued for 11 million back in october for their picketing. however, they have still filled an appeal.

kris23

wow......

Zelig

Phelps used to practice as a lawyer, and has a good idea of what they're legally allowed to do.

Grace

And just how do they know? Do they expect everybody else to believe something just because they said it, or do they expect everybody to believe that they understand the will of God?

These are some of the few people I'd like to throw handcuffed out of a truck in the middle of Tehran.

...or offer them handcuffed in an Irish pub in that case, no need to go to the desert, sand and all that...


These guys hate everybody but me (thankfully) and themselves!

Falstaff

if its on the tele then it must be so..



"not"

OmegaRED

I've heard all the members of the Church are lawyers which would be interesting if true (since they lost their case despite the massive legal team). "Church" isn't really what they are, it's all his extended family.

Years ago I went down to the Courthouse when Fred Phelps and his "God Hates Fags" brigade came to my city to spread their hatred but since then I've changed my religious views and now understand that what he is basically doing is taking the Bible literally. God does hate fags because the Bible was written by people who hated homosexuality. If you truly believe in the Bible then America wouldn't be in God's graces since it is based on secular values not Christianity.

CDsDontBurn

but if god "loves all" where do "fags" come into play? this would be a complete and utter oxymoronic term here.

OmegaRED

It would be impossible for God to hate "Fags" since he created them that way. He hates them because He is really "they" and "they" is a bunch of people who wrote the Bible by committee.

As for the God Loves All stuff...

Senor_Mota

Wow... You know who these guys sound like, right?



I don't think you need to attend eight years of Law School to sound like a f*cking bigot piece of sh!t.

mkk

That's a girly sword right there.

Senor_Mota

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HAHAHAHA!!!!

Kazeko

Little old, but i had to bring this up...

Omega I'm not trying to rip on you in any way, just using the pic you posted as an example/reference.


This passage also reads...

"Saul answered, "The soldiers brought them from the Amalekites; they spared the best of the sheep and cattle to sacrifice to the Lord your God, but we totally destroyed the rest.""


Now, that's the NIV version (New International Version)

King James version reads....

"And the Samuel said to Saul, " the lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore hearken to the words of the lord."
Thus says the Lord of hosts, "I will punish what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way, when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey ("Donkey" edited for PC purposes)."


Basically what I'm getting at here... is that there's literally HUNDREDS of different translations, interpretations and meanings one can find in the Bible.


Some people take the word of the Bible verbatim, as though they should be slaughtering a ram and spraying it's blood on the Altar of God as the bible would indicate in Leviticus.



The bigger point is what Falstaff said...

"Just because the TV said it, it must be true... NO."

This warmed my heart.

One of the biggest problems I see is the acceptance of face-value, rather than the rationalization and effort required to find reality.


Christianity's isn't exclusively what someone else tells you it is. It's what you get out of it and what you find in Christianity.

TV can be a great source for news and opinions, the problem is that much of America (and other countries, I presume?) accepts the TV as fact, and accepts the opinions they're given by TV programs, assuming every word of a broadcast is true and factual. It's not. More and more often it's becoming false, or incomplete.

Note: Don't forget. Television stations, even in America, are under NO obligation to tell the truth.


If you take someone else's opinion or statement as fact without questioning it, you've given up the ability to decide for yourself.
There's a level of responsibility associated with making an opinion and finding reality, but that responsibility is part of Power.

With so many translations of the bible, and so many interpretations of world events, I would suggest, rather than accepting the TV as fact, or accepting a statement on the internets (including my own) as fact, you seek the answers for yourself.



Note: This is not directed at anyone specifically.


Personal Thought Section - What disappoints me, is that Christianity is being Villanized with no prior knowledge of the religion, only opinions others are accepting as fact.

Fr4nk3nst41n

/me *looks for a bible*

/me *reads bible*

i agree with the above post 100%

and lets not forget that the bible is just a BOOK! anyone can write(and re-write) a book about anything. its up to us to LEARN(not to just blindly follow) wich notion or idea

OmegaRED

I agree with this, the Bible could be written by anyone and most likely was edited so many times by so many people that all of it is suspect.

Falstaff

God does not hate anyone or thing.
absolute rubbish and twattle.

OmegaRED

Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.

• Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
• Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
• Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
• Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil,
  19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
• Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

http://www.carm.org/uni/Godhates.htm

That was only the 2nd page Google spit out there's lots of them.

Kazeko

As was referenced before (and subsequently agreed with) God, does not necessarily hate anyone. Perhaps the authors or slant from translators and/or editors did.

Again, Christianity is what you get out of it. If you think God is hateful... all you. I feel bad for you, and might be inclined to suggest some attention, but go go Quaker mentality I guess.

OmegaRED

Pardon me Kazeko, I didn't realize you were on a 1 on 1 basis with God. Next time you talk to him ask Him if he loves screaming babies on airplanes...surely He has limits too.

mkk

Probably among the top reasons for airplane accidents.

Anyway it's not so surprising that many christians turn to Jesus rather than God, even if that's something not easily admitted outside branches that may openly prefer Jesus to God.

OmegaRED

This explains why nearly every Christian I've debated religion with brushes aside the Old Testament like it's a rough draft for the New Testament.

I guess I do the same thing with the Star Wars prequels

mkk

Heresy! *sorry, could not resist since the prequels are nothing but lies from the devils tounge*

OmegaRED

Ouch! I got negative rep for that Star Wars comment

Sandok

There are so many excuses to cover up the mistakes of "god".

He's all powerful and all great? Yet evil exists so it must be HIS creation no? I mean, he is everywhere in everything so evil must be his idea?

Cancer and disease is god's work then? People with HORRIFIC genetic disease is, if god models us all, his work no?

And god, according to the different religions that represent him hates a LOT of things...