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Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX
Ummm...... Where have you seen that a e6300 will clock farther than a e6600? First off you would have to assume you have a board that can do 500mhz+ FSB because that e6300 is locked at 7x multi....2nd off you would have to assume you have a really bad e6600....I have owned over 7 e6600's and xeon 3060s all of which broke 3.6ghz with little or no effort at 400fsb, and had no problem going higher with a lower multi. The extra L2 cache on the e6600 pounds the allendales on anything they do, they will always be lower on benchmarks and performance because of that. Not every board can do 500+ FSB very easily, 90% of the P965s can, but you would be assuming that they are using that, even then I dont see anyone with e6300/6400s clocked 3.6-4ghz like most e6600 users have.
And P35 is the best clocker out to date, especially if you go with a highend Gigabyte or a P5K Deluxe or the DDR3 variants. And no E6300 is going to outbench a Conroe with 4mb of L2, 2mb just doesnt do anything for it in benches, and no 6300 is going to out clock a e6600/6700/6800 period, you better have a golden chip if you do, or the latter 3 are busted or the board itself isnt functioning properly.
Not to put down the E6300 its a good chip for the money, it just doesnt have the edge over the more expensive chips in the least.
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Take it easy there Fonz and slow down a second
I said an E6300 will overclock farther, meaning that the delta between start clock and final OC is greater. Assuming you get 3.6GHz (which is more average than 4GHz to be honest), that's a 1.2GHz delta. The average E6300 on stock voltage can do easily 3.0-3.2GHz (albeit with a high FSB). Assume 2.8GHz even, hell, which is a 400MHz FSB. That's a 1.74GHz delta, 540MHz more than the E6600 delta. Yes, you need a board that can do high FSB's but who the hell buys a board for overclocking that generally or is known to generally not to high FSB's? Doesn't make sense to me but hey.
Also... you've taken another part of the statement I made out of context. First, the extra 2MB cache isn't worth the increase in TDP in my opinion, heat will become a problem faster (that's just straight physics). It also doesn't make a giant difference in most benchmarks. It makes a difference, true, but a small one. I also said that an OC'ed E6300 will outbench a STOCK X6800. Usually I overclock a much cheaper chip to equal or surpass the more expensive ones. The 4MB cache means nothing when you're running a 1600MHz FSB and 1:1 DDR2-800, so it WILL outbench a stock X6800 (1066 bus with DDR2-800RAM).
I'm not saying the E6600 is a garbage overclocker. Certainly not. But without resorting to more expensive or grandoise air cooling, you can easily take an E6300 based P965 system, for very little money and effort (use stock cooling even) and make it perform just as well as some guy who buys an E6700-X6800 based system and leaves it stock.
That's more my point of view.
(Also... P35... like I said, I haven't heard much except from 1 - 2 people who didn't seem to think it was that great. When I read more about it I'll have a more educated view of things...its early days yet...)