kX LineIn wet recording in Kristal Audio Engine?

BurtonG

Hi guys, please help. I got SB Live! and kX 3538 driver.

Is it possible to record from LineIn in Kristal while having the LiveIN enabled? I would like to play with VST plugin effect audible, then record it and play it back using the LineIn input.

It is working fine for me when I have Mic enabled in AC97 settings. I can put the VST on kX Input 1 and VST on track with Input 2 and I hear effected sound when I play, I can record it and it is recorded and plays back effected as well. All fine.

But when I try to do the same with LineIn selected as source in AC97. It does not work. I can hear the wet sound, but when I record, there is no sound recorded...???

Also when I use Mic input, I hear the VST effect from Kristal LiveIN both kX inputs. But when I use LineIn input, I can only hear VST effect from Kristal Live In in kX 1 input....in kX 2 input I only hear dry sound...no effect.

Is it possible to reroute the drivers somehow or is it possible to use only Mic for recording wet sound and not LineIn? In another multitrack it worked fine but I would like to use Kristal. Also I would like to use LineIn for guitar recording, I believe it has cleaner sound...right?

Thank you all in advance

Maddogg6

While I don't use Krystal... much of logic is same for most DAW apps..

the only reason I can see for that - is when using WDM instead of ASIO - as many WDM based proggies have troubles because KX isnt really 'windows mixer' compatible... If you ARE using ASIO - its a routing issue and/or AC97 setting problem.

Are you using a custom KX DSP config? You did change between line in and mic in KX DSP (set recording routing) or KX Mixer (change record levels) - instead of relying on Krystal to do it for you?
Much can depend on how you have Krytsal & KX configured.

Russ

If you want to record using Krystal (it should work the same for both MIC and Line In), you should choose Waver as the mixer input. Then in Krystal Waver, choose the inputs that you want to record. It will add those inputs (Waver 1, Waver 2, etc.) to a mixer channel, where you can then add VST effects. It will record only the dry signal (this way you can change VST plugins and settings, etc. without having to re-record), but during playback, and when Exporting Mixdown, the VST effects will be included.

BurtonG

Thank you Russ and Maddog, I am using ASIO and I have tried to just add the VST plugin to the Waver only, but that way I don´t hear the effect when I practise for recording.

I would like to hear the signal+the effect during practising and recording. Of course, only signal is recorded. That way it is working fine when I use Mic input, but not with LineIn...so I guess Maddog is right, it must be either kX routing or Kristal. But there is not much to setup in Kristal and I did not have a chance yet to look much into the DSP. I am still on default. But since Mic was working fine, I thought default should be fine for LineIn as well...???

So I could plug the guitar to Mic and be set, but somehow I think LineIn must be working fine too. No? Plus, is it right that LineIn is better for quitar recording? Cleaner?

Thanks to all again were there a chance someone might come with a useful tip

Russ

You can connect Line In to multiple ASIO pins in the DSP (i.e. ASIO 4/5 and 6/7), and then in Krystal, choose 4/5 for the LiveIn source (Audio Input 1), and 6/7 as the Waver source (Audio Input 2) and it should work as you want.

Is this what you are doing now (that is working for MIC, but not Line In (it should work exactly the same way for both))?
I do not completely understand what you mean, can you explain the above statement?

BurtonG

How I do it now: I sellect LiveIN in Mixer and when LiveIN table pops up I sellect kX Input 1 (ASIO 0). Then in Mixer I sellect VST plugin for that input and immediatelly I can hear the effect on the signal both when using Mic and LineIn.

Then I go for second Audio Input in Kristal, there I select Waver and automatically kX Input 2 is sellected for that Waver. That way, when I record from Mic I can hear FX when recording and hear FX during playback.

When I try the same with LineIn input it is like this: I sellect LiveIN in Mixer and when LiveIN table pops up I sellect kX Input 1 (ASIO 0). Then in Mixer I sellect VST plugin for that input and immediatelly I can hear the effect on the signal even when LineIn...BUT...when in LiveIN table I selelct kx Input 2 (ASIO 1) then the sound goes dry...no FX on it. That might be a hint on what is wrong, but I did not find way yet to connect it correctly in DSP...any help appreciated

Russ

What is the specific model of your sound card?
What specific version of kX are you using?
Can you hear still the signal when Krystal is not even open (I am guessing that you can)?
Are you using the default DSP config? Tell us any changes made to the DSP config (even minor changes).

I am guessing that you have a 5.1 card and are suffering from the ASIO mapping issue that exists with 5.1 models, in which case, you should have Line In connected to ASIO 4/5 (which I think it should be under the default config (it is with my card)) as ASIO 1 and ASIO 2 are not avaialble on these models, and the dry signal that you are hearing when choosing kX input 2, is from kX and not Krystal.

To sum up:
Disconnect any connection from prolog to xrouting in the DSP.
Make sure that the top 2 pins of prolog are connected to ASIO 4/5 of epilog.
Choose ASIO 4 as the LiveIN input, and ASIO 5 as the Waver input.

That would be my guess, but if that is the case, then I am not sure why it is working for the MIC, when it should be the same for both.

Russ

Wait a second, I just thought of something, how are you connected to Line In? i.e. What type of cable are you using? Does it do mono-to-stereo? If not, then that is your problem, and you should connect the top pin of prolog to both ASIO inputs, as you have only a mono signal when using Line In with guitar (without some kind of adapter to convert the mono signal to stereo).

i.e.
Disconnect all connections from the top 2 pins of prolog, and then connect the top 1 pin of prolog to both ASIO 0 and ASIO 1 on epilog.

BurtonG

I have SB Live! CT4620 10k1 c000 that is what kX says.

I am using kX Version: 5, 10, 00, 3538 - debug Compiled: Sep 18 2006 04:54:30

I am using default DSP config, have it saved as default and always start from it when trying some changes.

The issue I describe happens on default DSP and was the same with 3537 driver too.

As for the connector, yes I am using an adaptor from big jack to small one but I think it is stereo to stereo.

When I disconnect the top two pins on prologue (AC97left and AC97right) I lose sound of dry guitar that I hear when I load default DSP and switch to line in.

I think I have only two ASIO inputs active - in Kristal Control panel it shows - 1 kX in 00 and 2 kX in 01 - the rest of the inputs are not ticked and are not usable when I tick them

Will try to tinker with the DSP, any other help apreciated and many thanks for your help so far

Russ

As for your card, it is not a 5.1 model, so that should not be an issue.

Most electric guitar jacks are mono only, so even with a stereo cable, you will only get a mono signal without some kind of adapter. Connect a peak plugin to the top 2 pins of prolog so that you can see the guitar signal, and then you should be able to verify if you have a mono signal or a stereo signal. If it is mono, then again, connect which ever channel is active (probably left) to both ASIO inputs that you want to use (on epilog).

I assume that you do not want to hear the dry signal at all (from within kX), that is why I said to disconnect the connections from prolog to xrouting.

As for the number of inputs/outputs available, open up the kX ASIO Control Panel and select the number of inputs and outputs you want (up to 16/16), and then enable the inputs that you want to use in Krystal, under Preferences -> Audio Setup -> KX ASIO.

BurtonG

Yes!!! It is working now! The way you suggested!!!

In DSP I connected the left AC97 from prolog to both ASIO 0 and ASIO 1 in epilog
and now the wet play/record/playback is working both on Mic and LineIn input

Makes me wonder though...when I plugged the same connector to Mic input, I needed no change to DSP and it was working too. So is there a difference between Mic and LineIn input? Mic can make mono to stereo automatically and LineIn can not? Looks like that

Anyway BIG thanks for helping me with this, I can now sleep peacefully and do some recording too

Russ

Yes, the MIC jack works differently, but you should be able to use this setup for both, since the MIC is really mono anyway.